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OK, so we finally sent two of our black beauties into ANACS for grading (we wont go into the fiasco when we sent two into the NGC den of thieves). We just got them back today and here is one of them...  Try as we might, we cant get a pic showing the luster AND how dark the coin is AND the slight rainbow toning in the fields. Beautiful coins. Now 18 more to go. |
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Valued Member
United States
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I think it's still a good picture
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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These always look great in uncirculated grades. Great coin!
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Valued Member
United States
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I am unfamiliar with a "black beauty". Could someone enlighten me?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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my LCS has several of those raw they have been tempting that is a good looking Jeff
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Pillar of the Community
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When coins are made, the planchets undergo a process called annealing where the planchet is heated, then allowed to cool slowly. The planchets are then more maleable allowing the metal to flow easily into the die.
In the case of these nickels, they were left in the annealing oven FAR too long and this caused the planchets to darken. The color varies from a lighter black to very dark black. While the pictured nickel is darker in hand, you can still see how the coin is much darker than a normal nickel.
Often people confuse a nasty black taarnished nickel for one of these. Tarnished coins are not uniform across all surfaces as these are. Nor does a tarnished coin have luster.
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United States
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Thanks Smokeriderdon. For a newbie like myself, the label "improperly annealed" made me think something was wrong. Now I know better. It's quite a beautiful coin.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have another way of making a 'Black Beauty'.
Rest a freshly minted copper nickel coin on the electric element of your stove and turn up to maximum heat for one minute. Pick up the coin with tongs, and drop into water. You will get your first 'Black Beauty'.
Put the coin back into circulation. THAT will fool them!
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I have another way of making a 'Black Beauty'.
Rest a freshly minted copper nickel coin on the electric element of your stove and turn up to maximum heat for one minute. Pick up the coin with tongs, and drop into water. You will get your first 'Black Beauty'.
Put the coin back into circulation. THAT will fool them!
I would like to see and compare the results if anyone can re-produce the effect. |
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(we wont go into the fiasco when we sent two into the NGC den of thieves). Please do tell  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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cd, since you asked. LOL
We submited two of these coins to NGC and paid the extra for the research on the coin for the designation. If you want special designation on a coin with any of the services, they charge extra. If it is what you think it is, it gets designated. We sent them in through one of our local shops. They both came back without the designation.
Now, you may say that thats because its not a black beauty. Then, if it is not a black beuty, how is it the color it is? If its black tarnish that becomes environmental damge. They came back as MS 63! No environmental damage and no designation. It also took them at least 2 months to return the coins. When the dealer called to find out why they did not receive the designation they never got back to him with the answer.
We sent in the other 16 we had plus the two in the NGC slabs to ANACS for grading. We shall see what happens.
It will have to be a really special circumstance for me to send anything to them again.
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United States
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these carry a premium over the cost of sending them in?
I feel like 1959 black beauties are something I have found but didn't think had had any real values. I thought most people treated them like MAD coins
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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First I heard of this variety. I do remember seeing one once and not saving it,
thought it was ED.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes they carry a premium. And most times when people think they have one it IS ED. True black beauties are not as common as one might think. These actually came from an original roll that had half regular nickels and half black beauties. Guy came into one of our stores and spent the roll. When the manager cracked it, he knew immediately there was something up with them and called me. He gave them to me because he knew I would appreciate them.
I got lucky. Finding one loose in the wild...lucky as well.
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 United States
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Smokey ... sorry to hear about your troubles with NGC ... that would indeed turn me off. Lovely coin you have and great photo as well that shows the luster ... that is a difficult aspect to capture and you did it very well indeed. I believe that I have found three (3) total Black Beauties in my 260,000+ coin Jefferson roll search ... archive thread below shows a poor photo of my 1959 ... https://goccf.com/t/77833Many Thanks for sharing the update on the story of your Black Beauty. David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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nickel, nice dude! 3 out of 1/4 million plus. Definitely not common. I couldnt believe it when he told me about them. I figured he had a handful of tarnished nickels. Imagine my surprise!
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