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 Posted 11/26/2011  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lightly cleaned
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How much did you paid?
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 Posted 11/26/2011  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bleh-fake, or extremely polished coin.
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The upper edge of the reverse screams cast. As mentioned,.the chop mark looks fake.
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 Posted 11/26/2011  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cd_god to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Given the pourisity, combined with the shiny surface one might be inclined to say it is a metal detecting find that has been polished to clean it up. However, the wear is inconsistant with a polished or circulated coin. Lady Liberty's upper body is worn flat but the liberty ribbon has sharper details. As stated above, the chop marks do not have corresponding wear on the reverse.

I would definitely say fake.

Here is mine with chopmarks.

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 Posted 11/27/2011  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice cd
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 Posted 11/27/2011  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
besides being terribly ugly; I doubt, like those above me, it has a chance of being genuine.

cg god,
cool looking coin!
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 Posted 11/27/2011  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 14ers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you to all that took time to contribute their opinion. Rather than taking weeks, this little adventure is at a point I can give the whole story now (I hope!). I did buy the coin off ebay. I had been looking for a lightly chopped Trade dollar to complete a 7 coin Capital Plastics "Liberty Seated" set and the two well placed chops on this coin were exactly what I was looking for. While not the best photos, they showed well enough what looked like the kind of Trade dollar typically found on ebay... circulated but not worn slick, perhaps once cleaned, nothing extraordinary except the kind of chops I wanted. The seller has 500+ positive feedbacks and not one negative. A "No Return" policy was balanced by assurance that any problem would be taken care of. I felt relatively safe venturing a bid and won the coin. When it arrived I opened the package and was astounded. It shined like my Army belt buckle!

I believe the coin is genuine, just polished like crazy. It is the right diameter and weighs 26.5gr. (97.38% spec.). A good point was made about chop damage reflecting through to the opposite side of the coin. It is there but mostly polished away. There were a couple comments on the rims. I think it is just the high-gloss finish in the photo because they look OK in hand. I don't have any explanation for the pitting other than it may have been corroded before it was polished. Thanks again for all the input. I learned some with this. Lots of good ideas and some good laughs at the lighthearted comments.

The seller balked at a refund at first but has come through with it so this coin is no longer my problem. The seller is not a coin dealer or collector and didn't think it was particularly shiny. I don't think there was any intended deception on their part just a lack of knowledge of what they were selling.

Now, my next and last comment here may open a whole can of worms or line of conversation. The seller had a lot of confidence in the coin's Certificate of Authenticity from the Washington Mint. They thought the COA meant that if the coin was good enough for professionals it ought to be good enough for me. I had never heard of the Washington Mint but now I would guess that they are the kind of company that would be selling slicked up Ike dollars for $0.95 plus $9.95 P&H on late night TV and in Sunday newspaper flyers. You know the line, sacrificing some sort of coin collecting treasure at an amazingly low cost to you just so you have a little piece of our American heritage to pass down to the grandkids. BUT WAIT! Get a second whatever for just.... yadda, yadda, yadda... Goodness only knows what they sold that Trade dollar for.
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 Posted 11/27/2011  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add meanmrmustard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally think those COAs are worth next to nothing...14, if you don't mind me asking, what did you win it for?
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I agree Mr. M's thoughts on COA's, especially this one. Take a look at it. I think it really says nothing. Nothing to a numismatist anyway. I think if someone took the coin and put it on a railroad track under a speeding train it would not invalidate this lame COA.

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To answer your question about price, $152. I collected chopmarked world coins before the prices went crazy on them. Chops can be of two types. Incuse, where the character is cut into the coin (see CD's attached photo). Or raised, where an area around the character is pushed down and the character it self is left raised (like on this TD). I collect the raised type. I do not have a US Trade dollar with a raised chop so I piled a few extra $$$ onto my bid. Attached is a photo of a few of my raised chops.


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WOW ! It's blinding me!
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Fake or not its been cleaned so harshly I'd pass.
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I am glad for your sake 14 that the seller had a return policy on it. I agree it looks like it was burried for some time, then cleaned with a sander and then polished with Mothers mag polish.

But I do see where your coming from wanting to complete a set with chop marks. Keep looking I am sure one will come along that is just right for you.
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