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1907 IHC

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I picked up this 1907 Indian Head cent off ebay awhile back for $10 or so, back when I first learned about "diamonds" and wanted an example with all four diamonds showing:

1907-IHC
1907-IHC

The seller didn't assign it a grade other than to say that it had four diamonds.

Questions:

1. How would you grade it?

2. Any idea what the strange marks are just above the feathers on the obverse?

3. Any explanation for the slight silvery discoloration in spots on the obverse?

Thanks!
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It looks to have been messed with. The color does not appear right, that may account for the spots you have mentioned. The marks above the feathers could be a die clash. I am not so much up with all the Snow varieties, but DVcollector can probably help you there. I would grade it AU58 Details overall.
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I would say it has AU58 details. It's been cleaned/dipped. It appears to have some porosity on the reverse. I would guess this was a dug coin.

What you see above the feathers on the obverse is a nice die clash. You are seeing the outline of the bottom of the ribbon on the reverse.
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Well, the fact that it may have been dipped sucks, but I'm totally loving the die clash! Does that make the coin any more valuable, or has the cleaning pretty much ruined it? I figure for only $10 I couldn't go too far wrong...
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$10 bucks wasn't too bad. I agree it's been cleaned/dipped. I think it would probably go MS, although it has a lot of hits. The roughness on the surface may not be porosity but may result from a rusted die. There are a few varities that are known for such surface issues, especially on the reverse between the shield and left wreath. Make sure to take a good look at the date and denticles below the date. There are a lot of RPDs and MPDs this year. In fact, all the varieties Snow has listed are either RPDs, MPDs or a combination of both.
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It looks like a 1907/1907 south RPD snow 12 (but it could just be the way the light, and angle are on the coin) with a clashed die and probably a net grade XF with AU details because of environmental damage.
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I disagree with the S12 variety. With that variety, the denticles dip right below the "1." Here they don't. I would need a larger picture of the date area to determine if there is a RPD and/or MPD.
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about with all this RPD "Snow 12" stuff, but here's a larger picture of the date area:

1907-IHC

Thanks again for all the input!
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RPD is "repunched date" and snow is a variety attribution in rick snow's Indian Head cents book.
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Looks like an MS coin that has been reduced to AU by some minor environmental exposure. Interesting variety for sure.
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Here's a slightly clearer image of the date, just in case it helps:

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