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just over 220 grams

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They look like a very, very interesting bunch, I really like these coins, nice buy


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most of the obv have nice portraits on them but the reverse dont have much detail most have stick men


This is common to a lot of the 3rd century coins unfortunately, especially the Gallic and Britannic coins and of course the barbs. It is thought the obv dies were replaced 4 or 5 times more often than the rev ones and even when these were replaced it was often with crude and simple stickmen designs.


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Postumus imitations?


I'd say the coin on the left is an official Victorinus, the one on the right could be an unofficial Victorinus but its difficult to say without seeing the reverse.

You may find a few of these coins are actually official as you research them, the line between official and unofficial can be blurred and it can be a 50/50 decision where to place them.


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here are a few of the reverses


The first coin is excellent, with the corn and cornucopia, its looks very barbarous to me but again would need to see the other side to 100% confirm. If you intend to resell some of these as barbs the crazier the designs the better. The ones that fetch the best prices are the ones with 'smack you in the face' errors and 'off' styles.

I think these coins are a fascinating area to collect and investigate - all to often they are over-looked as simple copies but the truth is far more engaging as recently deserted provinces desperately tried to save their economies from the same fate as the Empire overall in the West. You'll have fun with these!
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Here is the one I thought was a postumus

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I believe it to be an official Victorinus with Mars or more likely Virtus on the reverse holding a spear and resting on a shield. Victorinus came soon after Postumus with just the short reign of Marius between them, this is why their busts are so similar and often confused. Here is a similar Victorinus Virtus example:

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I think its possible to make out the 'IRT' of 'VIRTVS' on your reverse although the 'R' is poorly cut and as often happens looks more like a 'H' or an 'A'.
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thanks for the input bobbyhelmet there are too many coins here I dont know where to start and I dont really know anything about barbarous coins I bought these from classical numismatic group-CNG auction.
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No probs, my pleasure - I'm pretty good with the Gallics and the barbs


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I dont know where to start and I dont really know anything about barbarous coins


Anything your unsure about - even if its all of them just post them in batches and I'm sure our members can point you in the right direction, if you want to do a bit of searching yourself or fully attribute if you don't.

We'll prob all learn something new in the process.
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This one was one of the dirty ones and after I took off some of the crud looks like a constantine.

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This one pictured above is a Constantinopolis commemorative issue TRP wreath in left field, 1st offinca Trier. Also known as Victory On Prow.

Probably official.
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Whats that thing in the left field - Is it the prow or is it a wreath or an Omega or something like that?
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In the upper left is a Wreath.

The lump down lower will reveal the Prow when it is cleaned.
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In the upper left is a Wreath


Thought it might be - RIC VII Trier 554 (333-334) - I like it, its a bit different. I wanna see more pics of the others
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OK I can finally look at my coins and from what I can find on these coins I would say these are Divus Claudius: Barbarous DIVVS CLAVDIVS, Altar Issues but I dont know how to find out the years so I would say they are minted around 275-285

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I dont know what the last coin is supposed to be just added it in with the rest.
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I need to have a think about the first one - I don't think its an alter, I think its official and could also be Gallienus or even Aurelian.

Second one I agree - Claudius alter, 50/50 if its official or unofficial, I'd probably go with the later.

Third is definitely a barbarous alter.

Fourth, again an alter, 50/50 if its official or unofficial, I'd probably go with the later again.

Fifth again is definitely barbarous - again need to think about the reverse.

Will get back to you when the old grey matter comes up with something.
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