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United States
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Platinum is currently about $220 less than gold per ounce. Is anyone selling gold and buying platinum with the money? Doesn't platinum stay above gold most of the time due to its rarity in respect to gold?
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Plat throughout most of recent history has indeed been worth more than gold, but the lines crossed for a short time recently, then again and it still has not un-crossed, very interesting idea you present, as I have not gave platinum much thought as of late.... To me, when I hunt for platinum on ebay (again every PM is higher on ebay, just is what it is), but when I do hunt for the Liberty 1/10 an oz. platinum, they still seem to be ridiculously high, as if the current market price has zero interest or effect on those who sell it. They still know it is way sought after, so many will not budge on their price. Case in point below, and this is the best priced one I found on a brief search.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-W-Amer...em41600da63eCar demand has everything to do with Platinum demand and pricing, and I also know China is such a rapidly growing pop and economy, that I heard 10,000 new cars hit the streets in China every day. Those mind boggling numbers, combined with oil and combustion gasoline powered engines not looking as if they are going anywhere anytime soon, makes me think Platinum will start back up in the new year. So if you can find a price that reflects the current market price, I say go for it.... I always think of a stat BiggFredd tossed out once, via all the mined platinum of the world fitting into a racquet ball court. That fact alone, makes me think its rarity will always be high in coin form. It is not sought after as a substitute for a dying currency as much as gold and silver is, but it has it place among collectors, and I would love to get a bunch of platinum. For one I never have, and I always enjoy testing the market for new things to sell. You have no idea what anything is really worth, until you try an sell it and see how many people want it, go after it, add it to watch lists, etc. IMO....
Edited by Silverhawk74 12/07/2011 11:12 pm
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Canada
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Thought long and hard about investing in some Pt. Ended up only having enough cash for a few 5g bars. Then there's my 1oz Pt maple, which I show off every chance I get  
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The only platinum I have is a few rings that I doubt even come to a oz.
However because the different is over $200 from gold I personally feel moving some gold into platinum could be a very favorable trade. Platinum Poladium and Rodium are really still under the radar and with Poladium and Rodium they still have a lot of growth in their uses becomming 1. more widely respected, and 2. new uses being discovered.
The thing is though sense I feel silver is so massively undervalued I still must advocate it as the highest growth potential in the next 3-20 years.
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Platinum Palladium, and Rhodium are all heavily tied to heavy industry. Thus when the economy is booming they rise in price, and when the economy is tanking they generally go down as well. Gold follows the opposite trend generally, and silver is a mixed bag since it has prevelent industrial but also is seen as a safe investment in hard times like gold is.
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It is unusual for Pt to be priced less than Au. IIRC, this has only happened about 4-5 times in the past 40 or so years. In each of the previous cases, when there was a Pt/Au price inversion, the price of Pt went up an average of 62% in the following 2 years. No way to know if that will occur again but history shows that it is possible and perhaps even likely.
Pt prices continue to be hammered, though. It's currently just under $1500 an oz while Au is around $1710.
One thing that would push Pt prices higher would be reduced production. If they had some equipment or flooding problems in the Pt mines of Russia or South Africa, that would put a lot of upward pressure on Pt prices. Failing that, then rising demand is about all that is left to support the price.
My thought is that Pt is a real buy right now but there is no way to know if it will be an even better buy in a few weeks or months. Perhaps this is the time to start slowly accumulating a small Pt hoard? In 2-3 years, it is likely that the Pt price will be quite a bit higher than it is today.
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United States
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This is crazy! The fact that gold is selling for more than plat. Crazy! It just proves that gold is over priced. Don't cry when gold is back down to $900 an oz. That will happen and sooner than you think.
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Sounds like you may have a lot of faith on the strength of the US dollar there satxwd. Care to share the secret?
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Quote: It just proves that gold is over priced. No, actually, it does not prove that. It suggests it but a suggestion is not a proof. When comparing two similar items for their price difference, it is just as reasonable to say that Pt is under-priced as it is to say that gold is over-priced. These days, the price of Pt is closely tied to the auto industry where a lot of Pt is used in catalytic converters. A low Pt price seems to be suggesting that the auto industry won't sell as many cars in 2012 as they did on 2011, which would reduce Pt demand and thereby its price. This could very well be the case but we won't know for some months now. After the 1st quarter of 2012 ends and we have some car buying numbers to compare to previous years we will know how 2012 is shaping up for car sales. If they are reasonably good, then Pt prices should move higher. If not, then lower prices are ahead. The current price of gold could also be a year-end price blip that could have any number of factors behind it. Buying some gold at today's price might not be a bad move. I would not go all in with my money on gold or platinum but would consider buying some over the next month or so. Could gold drop to $1000 or less sometime? Sure. Anything is possible. The real question is, "How likely is it?". Probably not very likely, given the current state of the US economy and all the financial negativity coming out of Europe. I haven't heard of any investors out there risking substantial amounts of money by shorting gold, so the idea of a large gold price pull-back doesn't seem to be widespread. Some of the big bullion banks are always buying, selling, shorting, loaning, and trading gold so there isn't much of a trend established by their typical activities.
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Valued Member
United States
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I just think the high price of gold right now is based on speculation and fear. If you bought in when gold was $270 an oz like I did then the time to sell is now. America has always come out on top after hardships and our current predicament isn't even close to the hardest challenges America has faced. Sure, gold will stay high for a year or so more but that's it. Then back down to $900 it will go.
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Canada
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Quote: If you bought in when gold was $270 an oz like I did then the time to sell is now. i agree. better yet if it was sold a few months ago. i must remain skeptical though, when people rely on faith and the notion that "we've made it though worse" to brush aside current predicaments. If you must draw on history and not stick to current situation then you can't just pick out the sweet spots to talk about. A lot larger empires than the you S of A have faller in the past.
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Quote: I just think the high price of gold right now is based on speculation and fear. There has always been an element of that in PMs. When people become fearful of the economic situation they do run towards that which seems most valuable and stable. In many ways, that would be the PMs. Note that the recent leg up in gold prices is not a bubble. If a bubble were to form in gold, we would definitely be seeing high mining share prices and much wider gold ownership. We are not seeing either of these, ergo, no bubble. Not that there has to be a bubble for any commodity to me mis-priced but there usually is when it goes on as long as the recent rise in PM prices has. Quote: If you bought in when gold was $270 an oz like I did then the time to sell is now. How about when it topped $1900 an oz. a couple of months ago?  Quote: America has always come out on top after hardships and our current predicament isn't even close to the hardest challenges America has faced. Actually, it could be argued that we are now facing things that we have never faced before, so using our past performance in the face of adversity may or may not be relevant. Quote: Sure, gold will stay high for a year or so more but that's it. Then back down to $900 it will go. Be sure to let us all know when it is time to short gold so we can profit from this huge decline. That will be some VERY useful info.
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tried to buy a platinum maple leaf coin recently with no luck. sold out everywhere in vancouver, APMEX charges huge premium. another dealer in toronto asking $30 shipping+1% insurance, bought 1 oz gold maple leaf instead. sigh
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Valued Member
United States
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Sounds like more fear and speculation talk. Then again right wing and left wing rhetoric always speak from fear. I agree with neither. People are free to think, buy, and believe what they wish. Those who buy gold and silver now would have never bought it ten or fifteen years ago. I remember well when those same people who buy bullion today told everyone to invest in the stock market just before the bubble burst. Bullion will have its bubble burst too. It's just a question of time. And the suggestion that America's problems today are anything close to what we've been through in the past is ridiculous. Enjoy buying over priced gold and silver bullion. Meanwhile, true coin collectors are picking up great numismatic coins at bargain prices. Why? Because even dealers have been distracted by the bullion prices. They have taken their eye off the ball and collectors are scoring big time because of it. Being a true coin collector, I'm more than happy with that! 
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Satxwd: I would loved to be convince otherwise (because that'd mean a positive outlook on the economy, stability, and less worry about my baby boy's future), but I still feel you are fighting what you are calling speculation with more of your own speculation. Which of "America's problems" do you feel is trivial? And what exactly are you comparing to in history?
One of the joys of reading posts in the forum is that it often leads to bits and chunks of history, economic know how, and misc knowledge that I was not familiar with before. I sincerely hope there's more of that to come.
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Quote: I remember well when those same people who buy bullion today told everyone to invest in the stock market just before the bubble burst. You might consider that those of us who have invested in the stock market and made a lot of money there are now seeking to diversify into alternative investments other than stocks. Personally, I never told anyone to invest in any particular asset. My own actions speak for me for the most part and as I was getting rich those who know me personally emulated what I was doing and they got rich too. That was their choice, though. Had they chosen otherwise, that would have been fine with me too. As to the stock market burst, those of us who invested in it for many years and knew what we were doing lost very little money in 2001 or in 2008. It is the people who do not know what they are doing who get into the most trouble when investing and their choice of investment vehicle really doesn't matter all that much.
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