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Error? 1 Groschen, 1925 - Austria (Incuse Eagle!)

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 Posted 12/08/2011  12:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can anyone confirm or explain this error?
I think this is a partial incuse coin, in good light you can see the entire eagle "shining" through! Any info is welcome..

Error?-1-Groschen,-1925---Austria-Incuse-Eagle!
Error?-1-Groschen,-1925---Austria-Incuse-Eagle!
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 Posted 12/08/2011  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ZiggyZ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe this is called "ghosting" and is common on some types of coins. I had an Australian penny with the same effect, and while I think it's neat, I've been told it does not add any value.
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 Posted 12/09/2011  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ghosting... hmm never heard of it
For me it's the first I have in the collection, and luckily I didn't overpay for it. So thanks for the info!
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Alan Herbert's The Official Price Guide to Mint Errors 7th Ed. has termed that ghosting as Heavy Design Transfer.

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A die that was damaged due to repeated and lengthy use to strike coins which results in the vague outline of the central design element of the opposing die being transferred to the other die through the planchets as they are struck.
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 Posted 12/10/2011  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's known to me as a "Die Clash". According to NGC, the die clash is not an error they attribute specifically because they think that die clash is common enough to be called an "error" or "exception.". Neverthless, a very nice coin!
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My understanding is that this is NOT a die clash, as that causes a raised, not indented image. Here is the response of a much more knowledgeable member from a similar thread in the Australian errors forum:

"Yep, it's "ghosting". Ghosting can happen when a coin made from a relatively hard metal is large and thin, one die is distinctly higher relief than the other, and the coin press is operating at high speed. As I understand it, It's caused by the metal inside the high-relief area "bouncing back", rather than flowing as intended. It's not considered a "mint error", since cause is ultimately a flaw in the design of the coin itself and/or in mint operating procedures rather than anything that went wrong with the minting process. Certain coin types are more vulnerable than others, such as British pennies pre-1928 and Australian pennies of George VI. British pennies were specifically redesigned in 1928 to try to minimize ghosting, with a smaller portrait and lower relief."
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 Posted 12/14/2011  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great explanations of ghosting here--and that's a nice example!
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It's a form of Die Deterioration. Terms applied to it include "ghosting", "heavy design transfer", "internal metal displacement phenomenon", and "progressive, indirect design transfer". The last is the term I use. A vague impression of one die is transferred to the opposite die through the medium of many thousands of planchets.
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