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 Posted 12/10/2011  6:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add motoryoda to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Please note I am NOT slamming any TPG here. Especially not the one in whose folder this coin sits.

I am looking for opinion on how this coin got its grade.

Further, you should all know that I accept ALL blame for this, as I bought it at an online auction.

All input is greatly appreciated.



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12/10/2011 6:23 pm
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 Posted 12/10/2011  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add motoryoda to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My apologies for the pic of the Caribou....that is the best I can get. That side of the coin is stunning! It is the other side which I am not happy with. And if you are wondering, yes, Her Majesty is filled in with the mystery crud, except for near the forehead.
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 Posted 12/10/2011  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollect1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can barely see the crown or the hair, but I really dont know how to grade this kind of portrait
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I think that coin was messed around with, just prior to submission to the TPG. Then, even with a decent seal, the degradation continued in the holder - we see the same phenomena with copper re-toning, carbon spot formation, etc. Remember that even ICCS flips are not impermeable to moisture, this coin could have been put in a really humid environment. Currently, the coin should be commented as 'corroded' or 'unusual surfaces'. Normally, I don't hesitate to dip mint state Elizabeth II coins, but not even dipping will save that coin now. Despite the wonderful reverse, it only has two useful purposes now: 1) a Whitman folder piece, whereby you don't have to see the reverse, and 2) .800 silver melt.

That said, I think your coin would be a fantastic addition to a grading course that several of us in the Ottawa Coin Club are designing. Please do not cut it out of the ICCS holder. If you want to discuss further how this coin could be of educational value, obviously, we have to take this offline...
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 Posted 12/11/2011  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP...Will this course be for any and all collectors with or without grading experience?
I know Brian had one in Toronto but they wanted individuals that had grading experience.

Thanks
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