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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Too late rising all day today. Bottom for this particular blip was yesterday. I would not be too hasty in this regard. Was it only last week when the gold people thought that $1710 was their new bottom? From there it VERY rapidly dropped to $1570 or so and then came back up to $1600. There's a lot of motion in PM prices. It is good not to confuse motion with progress.
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Valued Member
United States
239 Posts |
@ merlin - Do you JUST do trannies or do you collect various types of car parts for scrap? What about cat converters? You can recover platinum from them.
Scrapping definitely can be profitable, and I look at it as free money. Especially for the business I do, I am consistently getting copper pipe, brass fittings & 10 - 14ga copper wire. Just raked in $460 a few days back. Got paid $2.40/lb for copper, $1.65/lb for brass, $1.63/lb for regular wire & $1.00/lb for "flat" wire.
We also scrap "electric motors" & get $0.25/lb for them. Since I am in the pump business, our electric motors are well pumps, sump pumps & sewage pumps.
We go 3 - 4 times a year and usually rake in anywhere from $300 - $1000+
lol I took almost every penny of that $460 and purchased silver / coins =D
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5858 Posts |
I'm still waiting for it to hit $25. I then have "permission" from my wife to spend $5000 on silver. I'm thinking maybe a $100 bag of AU Morgans and a $100 bag of worn Barber halves or Walking Liberty halves. Of course, for the price of the AU Morgans I could also buy a $100 bag of BU Peace dollars. That's if silver hits $25 and if APMEX doesn't jack up the premiums again and if they actually have anything in stock...
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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
Quote: @ merlin - Do you JUST do trannies or do you collect various types of car parts for scrap? What about cat converters? You can recover platinum from them. If it fits between the motor and driveline, I do it, otherwise I don't. Cat margin is less than 10% because of the stiff competition. Two 5% down days in platinum can wipe out someone doing cats. Many cat recyclers have been caught holding hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cats when the price has tanked in the past. Some survived, some went bankrupt. Margin versus risk does not pencil out in my book. Quote:That's if silver hits $25 and if APMEX doesn't jack up the premiums again and if they actually have anything in stock... That is a LOT of 'ifs' to hope would line up at the same time. According to the trendlines, $25 is possible, but not likely. I doubt that it will get much below $26 and if it does make $25 I doubt that it will stay there long enough for most people to capitalize on it. Of course, there are two ways of looking at your wife's permission depending on how she stated it. First, she could have given it to you subject to you buying at/below $25. Second, it could mean that once it hits $25 you can buy, but at whatever price you can get, even if it is above $25. Second scenario means that you WILL get on board if $25 is hit regardless of the actual cost. First means you get on board only if you can buy below $25. To put it another way, if the trigger price of $25 is hit scenario #1 is the same as saying "buy at $25 or lower." Scenario #2 is the same as saying "buy at market if $25 is hit."
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1502 Posts |
hahaha~ looks like I'm not the only one that have to rack my brains to justify the books to the family accountant :)
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Valued Member
United States
299 Posts |
mer took the words right out of my mouth, "That is a LOT of 'ifs' to hope would line up at the same time. According to the trendlines, $25 is possible, but not likely. I doubt that it will get much below $26 and if it does make $25 I doubt that it will stay there long enough for most people to capitalize on it."!
I'll start buying again just under 27
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: I'm still waiting for it to hit $25. That could be a while yet. For silver to hit $25, we would likely have to hear some REALLY political or financial good news. While that would be great, I would not want to be counting on it. Quote: I then have "permission" from my wife to spend $5000 on silver. Nothing like getting on the same page with ones' life-partner. Money matters probably cause more marital tensions than just about all else combined, so heading problems like this off at the pass, as they say, sounds good.  I am fortunate to be in a different situation. I just started receiving my SS benefit via direct deposit in October. A good chunk of this is being converted to PMs. I have the cash in hand now from the 1st 3 deposits, so am ready to rock-n-roll with a PM buy whenever something comes along that looks good to me. That will probably take the form of another 100 1-oz. silver Maple Leafs and perhaps the same in ASEs. OTOH, starting to collect some gold would be sweet too. The trick with gold, and even more so with platinum, seems to be in finding a decent deal without a sky-high premium attached to it. Quote: That is a LOT of 'ifs' to hope would line up at the same time. Yes, it is. Maybe that was his whole point with that? At least, it seemed that way to me. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Yes, it is. Maybe that was his whole point with that? At least, it seemed that way to me. Give the man a seegar!  Basically, I doubt I'll be buying any silver at this rate. If it drops below $27, I might buy some anyway if I can stay below the $5000 limit. And then I'll tell her it dropped down to $5000 for a microsecond and my timing was really, really good...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
667 Posts |
Silver is a good buy right now. Wait and you may wait too long. So I ask do you feel lucky and want to sit this one out?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3670 Posts |
Not so fast my friend as ol Lee Corso says. Gold has dropped almost 11 bucks to start new week, and silver is down in the Asian markets as well 55 cents back down to 29.19....
I think we all would agree, that 29 even Mendoza line should tell huge if it crosses below it, which then makes me think it may go back to 25 to 26 bucks. However, if it recovers back up before the North American markets open, it may go back up again to 30 an beyond....
I have a gut feeling we got more pull back to go just yet, before the new year recovery begins....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
Not a good time to buy. A lot of sellers I know are like stale longs..ticked off about the drop in price and they are holding their inventories till the price comes up. It usually takes a couple/few weeks of consistently low prices before they start to sell, in the mean time the physical inventory dries up and as such the prices go up. Supply and demand. I was actually in one shop this weekend where the dealer had priced his bullion Morgans higher than they were before the drop. Why? Because of demand! When it was pointed out that the demand was because of LOWER prices he just shrugged his shoulders. Though he did admit that he had not sold ONE bullion Morgan since he raised prices! 
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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
Quote: Not a good time to buy. Depending on what your goals are, any time and any price could be a good time to buy. Typically people that get rich with PMs, stocks, etc tend to buy when everyone else is selling and sell when everyone else is buying. And the price action will tell you which is which. If I had the money, I would buy on every 5% drop and sell on every 5% rise. On average that would give me a 55% edge in my favor instead of the normal 50-50 stab in the dark.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1502 Posts |
Quote: I would buy on every 5% drop and sell on every 5% rise. depending on your venue and method of buying and selling, fees and premiums and what not factored in you'd have to by in at every 10% drop and sell at every 10% rise instead.
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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
Quote: depending on your venue and method of buying and selling, fees and premiums and what not factored in you'd have to by in at every 10% drop and sell at every 10% rise instead. That would work, too, with a 60-40 edge. Only issue would be fewer buys and sells, so POSSIBLY less net profit over time. However, as you state, costs have a large bearing on which method would be more profitable. A slim margin of say 1% on a 5% move scenario may or may not be better than a wider 6% margin on a 10% move - Just depends on how may opportunities are available with each method.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1502 Posts |
I suppose the most fee-less way would be paper silver.
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