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I keep hearing people say that they hoard nickels.

Please tell me. Why is this a wothwhile practice? Thanks.
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some think that the nickel metal will increase in value, making the nickel coin worth much more than 5 cents.
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It is only worth it, if they are pre 1981 canadian nickels as they are .999 fine
with US nickels the 75/25 ratio makes refining costs to high to see any profit, even when nickel peeked at 28.00 a pound a few years ago US nickels were hardly worth saving, Canadian nickels on the other hand .28 cents each with 100 or 5$ FV being worth 28$
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A nickel is probably the last real money with it currently being worth in intrinsic value what its face value is. Nickel and copper fluctuate and recently the nickel was worth 7 or 8 cents. You cannot melt them down nor the penny. When the mint changes the composition the nickel will surely disappear (the nickels made of nickel). Many feel that what happened to the pre 65 silver coins could. Happen to nickels to some extent. Can't hurt no premium so win win
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 Posted 12/06/2011  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess not many of us on these boards are into the nickel thing.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3stooges to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's more of a prepper/survival tactic (see James Rawles' blog) than a numismatic thing. The melt value of a nickel is current a little above face value, and you don't have all the sorting issues and hassles that come with pennies.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes and no real loss in keeping them. If we only kept every silver coin from the 1960s is kind of the mindset for keeping plus they really are REAL money and pretty much all that's left (although ANY coin has more value than paper)
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I hoard copper pennies but only hold onto pre-1958 nickels. My reasoning is simple,it will take a huge increase in metal prices to get nickels to a "multiple" value. Pennies are at 2x+ and may reach 3x soon. Nickels are at like 1.1x so the percent return will be small for a long time and each nickel costs 5x what each penny does so if I save a roll of pennies@$.50/roll and that penny is 2.5x in metal value,that roll is worth $1.25. A roll of nickels is $2.00 and it is valued at 1.1x face,my value is $2.20. The multiples and initial cost make nickels not worth my time for the metal value. I search pennies and nickels so sorting copper pennies from non-copper is not an "extra step" so I keep copper pennies and pass on nickels except those with silver value or numismatic value.
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I think one's money can be put to much better use than to be sitting in some closet somewhere in the form of a common nickel. It could also get expensive as hoarding nickels gets you into the 1000's of dollars quickly. Percentage wise, there is less incentive than with copper cents.

People refer to hoarding junk silver in the early 60's. I wasn't even alive, but I'm just thinking of how much money that would have had to have been to tie up a large quantity of dimes, quarters, halves, or even dollars. Also think of how much that money would have been worth if invested in safe investments. Even long term CDs over the course of 50 years would probably put you in a better place now than having saved those coins....even with the price of silver where it is today.

Don't hoard nickels, common people.
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I was around and do have the few hundred face silver from the 1960s. Not much I guess but have PM! We all keep some cash around or should for when those ATM cards don't work. Or whatever. Nickels are real money and no loss factor. Yes you could invest but we are talking a fww hundred dollars not millions. There is a hedge fund guy that actually has a million dollars in nickels for when the metal is changed to something of little or no value. Gershams law
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angel2004; if you had just said that you keep them for fun I would have understood, us coin collectors do things for fun the rest of the world doesn't understand. However, the way you are trying to legitimize hoarding nickels doesn't make sense to me.

You say there is no loss factor, but inflation is a loss factor as your nickels aren't keeping up. Yes, you should keep some money around for emergencies, but nickels, who's going to want those.

The government is well aware of issues involving it's coins and hoarding and will never allow the melting of cents or nickels unless they abolish the coin for circulation, which they won't in the near future-although they probably should.

In theory in doesn't matter if you are keeping 1 nickel or 1,000,000 nickels as far as investment. It's clear that money could be put to better use, hence, making any argument for keeping them as a form of financial gain irrelevant regardless of quantity.

Besides, do you realize a nickel is currently worth 5.1 cents and has never had anywhere close to the percentage above face value of a cent.

Nickels are also heavy. You would need a giant tub weighing a ton for the premium above face to equal what just a small bucket of copper cents would be worth.
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At todays price. No one has a crystal ball and we kept the silver coins in the 1960s when their value to face was similar to that of nickels. The pre 1982 pennies are even heavier and more trouble to separate. Basically the only thing mixed in nickels are the silver ones and some Canadians some of which are 99percent nickel. There is no loss value in the fact that many keep some cash and some may as well be nickels. Everyone thinks differently on this and we are all helping the OP
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An for the melting the pre 1965 coins weren't allowed to be melted back when first out of circulation either. Once the metal composition takes place is when the nickels may increase. Similar to silver coins and really similar to the pre 1982 pennies. The pennies are bought an sold over face and they cannot be melted. I wouldn't melt anyway. They can always be traded and bought and sold just like the 90percent coins are today. When keeping the coins back in the 1960s we really didn't think of it as a big money making scheme. Just some true money of intrinsic value
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I don't collect nickels or pennies for that matter and that is fine. That leaves them to the folks who enjoy doing that. They can collect them, sort, and store them to their heart's content. If they one day become much more valuable I will rejoice for them. If not, then that's the way it goes sometimes.

I collect 90% US silver coins but not the 35% silver War Nickels or the 40% US half dollars. I have a couple of these halves but only until I can sell or trade them off to make a bit of extra space for more 90% silver. I also collect .999 US and Canadian coins via the 1-oz. ASEs and MLs. No gold... yet... but would like to have some of that too at some point.

Thus we have the fun and beauty of collecting... each of us doing our own thing in our own way. Gotta love it!
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lets really get into the conversation of american nickels here.

A box of $100 in nickels roughly weights 20 pounds
100 boxes would be 1 standard ton, so with a $10,000 investment you will have 1 standard ton
Now you have 200,000 nickels, at todays rate worth $0.051445, you have $10,289
an amazing $289 profit
Now lets say a miracle happens and all of a sudden you can melt your american nickels
Now a refinery can refine your nickels, since the copper to nickel ratio is 75% copper 25% nickel. Refining costs would kill your $289 profit, but would also take you for another $1,000 or so.

Like I've said if you want to invest in Nickel Bullion, Pre 1981 Canadian Nickels is the only way to go!
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Not only all that but take a look at what it would cost to ship a ton of nickels to the refinery.
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