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1879-S Morgan - Grade Opinions

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Just looking for a second opinions.

Thanks

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 Posted 12/18/2011  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking coin! I;d go MS-64 or 65 PL It's hard to tell from a single photo, the PL could be DMPL but that would need the coin to be in hand. I'm seeing a few light marks on the cheek but an few big ones on the neck, so probably MS64PL
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Very pretty coin. Looks like an MS65PL for sure. What is going on under the tail feathers? Carbon spot?

Also the rim looks a little rough at 6:00 on the reverse but that shouldn't stop it from grading gem.
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I am thinking MS-64 PL maybe DMPL depending on how reflective it is. Nice coin!
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 Posted 12/18/2011  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a beautiful Morgan! Impossible to grade from a photo but should be at least MS64PL.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tremendous images of a tremendous coin. 65PL on my cellphone; I may think a grade lower on my regular monitor.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. I had thought MS-64PL as well, with a good shot at a MS-65PL.

I don't have the coin in hand yet, so I cannot comment on whether the coin is PL or DMPL.
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I may think a grade lower on my regular monitor.

Lets hope not.
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Nope.

Still thinking 65. I see a point of worry on the neck, and I wonder about the black mark on the reverse. Once it's in-hand, you may choose to get it into acetone to see what might be done with that black mark - the acetone will have no effect on the reflectivity.
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I have never used Acetone before, so I am a little hesitant about that.
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Based on how reflective the coin is in these pictures, do you think this coin will have a shot at DMPL?

How will I determine PL from DMPL when I get the coin in hand?
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How will I determine PL from DMPL when I get the coin in hand?


A good rule of thumb uses reflected newspaper print. For PL, you should be able to read newsprint reflected in the coin, crystal-clear at 4". For DMPL, that number should be more like 8" or even better. Don't know if you've ever held a true DMPL Morgan before, but once you see one you'll know from that moment onward what it's about. They're staggering. You would be confident shaving with one as a mirror.
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Thanks Superdave
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I would say MS63 PL. Carbon spot on the back detracts and obverse luster looks inconsistent.

Maybe 64 with better photos

( also just noticed big black spot in hair on obverse hair )
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Here is a coin I found that has a similar carbon spot on the reverse. (Smaller one by the feathers, and a lot near the rim)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17074573874...t_2131wt_952
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65 PL. Thats a purty coin!
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