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That's Their Story And They're Sticking To It?

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 Posted 12/24/2011  08:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Am I the only one that thinks this can only happen from shenanigans at the mint?

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 Posted 12/24/2011  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, I'm with you on shenanigans.
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 Posted 12/24/2011  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pman860507 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
138,000! wow!
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 Posted 12/24/2011  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone "found" this in a roll? Only one!Maybe the shenanigans extended beyond the mint.
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 Posted 12/24/2011  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiepb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I agree that this took some effort by someone, more than likely several someones.

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 Posted 12/24/2011  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rickmp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$138K worth of shenanigans!
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 Posted 12/24/2011  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see how it happened, but such a die pair would strike 12 coins a second, so where are the rest of them?
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 Posted 12/24/2011  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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biggfredd:I can see how it happened, but such a die pair would strike 12 coins a second, so where are the rest of them?

If I found one in a roll I'd be out buying every roll I could find until I found more.
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 Posted 12/24/2011  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chickenboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've found a handful of these but threw them back because they were a CAM.

I just can't catch a break with the 99 WAM's!
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 Posted 12/24/2011  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An English teacher pointed oput that two negatives make a positive, but two positives don't make a negative.

A student's reply fits chickenboy's post:

"Yeah, right"
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 Posted 12/24/2011  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be careful in buying this coin. If the U.S. Mint can prove that this coin was manufactured illegally, they may very well move to have it confiscated.

If it is a forgery, made from explosive impact dies, it has to be sold as a forgery to legally avoid knowing deception. By the looks of it however, I don't think it is a forgery, especially when you consider who is selling it.

I don't think we have heard the end of this story, at least from an official standpoint.
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 Posted 12/24/2011  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that there has only been one found in 12 years points to hanqui-panqui. Anyone who has seen coins struck can tell you the press looks like a sewing machine, moving up and down at incredible speed.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if it went for just one minute before being caught, there would be 720 of them, along with 2160 from the other three dies on the press. If they hand-checked those coins and caught 99% of the errors, that means seven still escaped.

Even a non-collector finding a coin with a dime on one side and a cent on the other is going to be asking about it. So where are the others?
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 Posted 12/24/2011  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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biggfredd:Even a non-collector finding a coin with a dime on one side and a cent on the other is going to be asking about it. So where are the others?

With as many eyes looking at the reverse of the 99's for WAM's you would think someone would have found another by now.
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 Posted 12/24/2011  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree this coin was planned out by Mint employees. These don't accidently happen and if it did, why is this coin unique?
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 Posted 12/24/2011  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A little high Fredd, Those were struck on the older quad die presses running 120 cycles per minute so two coins per second.

It is conceivable that it could happen, and only one escape but you are really pushing credibility.

Press gets switched from dimes to cents. New collar put in some or all of the dime obverses swapped out but they get distracted, lunch or something, and don't get one or more of the dime reverses swapped. Operator fires up the press, looks at the out put "OH MY GOD!" and shuts down the press. Swaps out the dime reverses and condemns the struck coins. But one or two of them didn't get ejects properly and are still stuck up in the works somewhere (This does happen) Later to falls out into the holding bin but since it is the only one in the bin it doesn't get picked up and examined. The rest of the coins are fine and the holding bin gets dumped into the main hopper.

An unlikely scenario but in theory one that could happen. Deliberately made "error" is probably much more likely.
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 Posted 12/25/2011  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still remember the phony errors made years ago, like a proof quarter struck over a Barber quarter, and "folded" coins.
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