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The Dollar Has Crashed, Must Cash In, What Do You Do?

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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Purely hypothetical... I guess that needs to be said haha.

But lets say the dollar has become worthless, and has caused all the PM's to skyrocket in value. You must cash everything in to keep going.

Assuming you are not desperate for money, but need it (I.E. not going to the pawn shop and taking whatever the offer) How do you cash in? And how much from spot do you think you can get?

ebay? Dont forget the fee's?
Private dealer? What kind of money does he offer? What do you expect realistically?
Forums? Craigslist? etc...

Just curious! I have been thinking about all my physical coins and how to liquidate them if ever need be (Although I plan on keeping these until the day I die! ...or need to retire, but heck I'm only 24 right now!)
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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first thing is you do not panic. You take some time to see what is going on. In other words you think a little prior to acting. You may only need a weeks wroth of living expense until things start to make sense.

If the dollar crashes it will be a short term event, history has proven this in places like Germany and South America. There is no doubt we would have a new green back and devaluation of the old one.

If needed there will be more than enough places to exchange PM's for the current currency to pay bills. I would expect a very fluid market so only exchange what you need on a daily or even weekly basis.

Depending on the event and world currencies it may or may not be a good time to do anything.

If the world goes then the PM might just make good weight and that is about all. There will be far greater and better things/commodities to bargain with.

Now if you just need cash in hard times then find the highest payer to the spot price.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the Dollar crashed then how would you expect to be paid.
The only way you could use your bullion is to pay for goods/services with these.
It wouldn't make any sense to sell your bullion for a "crashed dollar amount"
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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your taking this too literally...

You, from my understanding, can have the dollar crash, but still be present... Just like the stock market can crash, doesn't mean its worthless.

So for this, I am saying that the dollar has become so depreciated that it would be the lowest possible value it could be. So instead of silver being 30$ an ounce, it maybe 300$ an ounce. But unfortunately creditors, and food, and bill still must be paid in US Dollars...

Once again this is purely hypothetical and curious on how people would unload their stash. Please dont look too much into the scenario, becuase you could spend pages and pages talking about funds, economies, politics, and other things that would need to be discussed in this situation, lol
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 Posted 12/26/2011  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At that point pay no one and don't sell any pm's. No one else will be able to pay either so you just wait to see wait they do with the currency.

What will likely happen is your paycheck will increase similar to Germany. Now you are coming home will a trunk load of cash until they start all over again.

The only real world jam would be something similar to the great depression - no work no money.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you really think about the PM would probably be accepted! Why exchange if it we me I would surely take the PM not worthless dollars
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People who live in remote tribes to this day, who have never seem any tech, or money, or anything from our world, simply do what all humans have done for thousands of years, via barter and trade....

In the movie Mad Max beyond Thunder dome, the town Tina Turner ran was called BARTERTOWN, lol....
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So, in this crash scenario, we have silver at $300 an oz.? OK, first thing I would do would be to sell enough to pay off my mortgage. It is denominated in those old worth-a-lot-less US dollars, so that would be fair game!

There are a few coin and pawn shops that buy and sell in my area, so I would be checking them out to see which would give the best deal.

Next up, and I agree 100% with MK on this, take some time to see what is happening. There will not be any mad rush here that I can see. Haste making waste is likely to be in full force under these conditions, so taking a little time to let the situation become clear(er) would be really good. This is one of the reasons why those of us who stack also tend to store emergency food and water. We buy extra food regularly and add it to "the larder" in our basement. It stays cool down there year-round, so keeps quite well. Keeping a year's worth of food on hand could well turn out to be a wise precaution.

Those of us who stack will be in a perfect position to become the new bankers, if we so choose. Unlike them, our lives are not built around financial slight of hand. By being honest brokers we would do alright for ourselves, of course, but we would not be cheating anyone. That alone should be enough to bring us all the business we can handle.

As to the new dollar vs. the old dollar, who can say? There are MANY ways that this could play out. My guess is that there would be some way to trade in the old for the new. I can't see the gubmint just completely abandoning the old dollar, as that would create a lot more hardship and pandemonium than they want to deal with. Besides, if they did that, what would prevent them from doing the very same thing with the new dollar? If it is going to work, we have to have at least some trust in it. Without trust in the new dollar, there would be no point in issuing it, IMO. The only real question would be the conversion rate. I am sure that the gubmint would set a rate by law... 5 old for 1 new or some such. If they do not set the PM prices but allow the currency to float against PMs, then the market would probably set that rate and it would likely be higher than we have today due to the uncertainty of holding cash. While some of us who collect PMs are already uncertain about holding dollars, the vast majority of the public is not. A crashed dollar would be quite an eye-opener for them.

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So, in this crash scenario, we have silver at $300 an oz.? OK, first thing I would do would be to sell enough to pay off my mortgage. It is denominated in those old worth-a-lot-less US dollars, so that would be fair game!

That would be sweet!
I'd then follow up, after paying off debt, with as much bartering as I can. Tried very hard not to accumulate junk (miss the days when I can move all of my possessions in a couple of boxes), but junk I have.
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Assuming the dollar has crashed - why are you trying to "cash in" on your silver? Silver IS money - so why trade it for worthless paper?
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Once again this is purely hypothetical and curious on how people would unload their stash. Please dont look too much into the scenario...

Unfortunately, the nature of your scenario means we can't do that. Such an event (a collapse, or at least considerable decline in the value of the US dollar) removes much of the certainty behind your assumptions. I doubt that ebay, Craigslist, the forums and any other options you'd care to name that are around today would continue to exist in anything resembling there present formats under such circumstances.

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You, from my understanding, can have the dollar crash, but still be present... Just like the stock market can crash, doesn't mean its worthless.

It does depend on the timescale you're talking about. In 1960, silver was $1 an ounce. So from the perspective of someone from the sixties, the dollar has already "collapsed" to the extent you describe. However, it took 50 years to do that - hardly an emergency situation. So, you're either talking about a far-future time period, or a sudden, disastrous decline over a period of a few weeks or months.

Currencies have a lot more inertia than stocks and shares do. They don't collapse easily, but when they do, there's not much anyone can do to stop it from happening, and it rarely stops itself at, say, 1/10th of the pre-collapse level as in your scenario. In today's faith-backed currency system, a sudden collapse would remove the only pillar (faith) holding it up - it would keep on collapsing, causing hyperinflation.

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I am saying that the dollar has become so depreciated that it would be the lowest possible value it could be.

Unfortunately, there is no theoretical "lowest possible value", beyond which it cannot collapse further. The value of a currency unit can become so infinitesimally small that mathematicians would need to invent new symbols for you to use with your money. Runaway hyperinflation keeps on collapsing in on itself, faster and faster, more and more worthless, until some outside force intervenes - invasion, revolution, or a coalition of friendly foreign powers. Unfortunately, in the specific example of America, I don't think there's anyone big enough to stop it.

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But unfortunately creditors, and food, and bill still must be paid in US Dollars...

Why? If you've got to exchange your precious metals for other objects of value (like food), why not find someone prepared to swap for them directly? Yes, that's "barter". Or, since barter is usually terribly inconvenient for both parties, use some alternative form of currency (foreign money, or private local money). In such circumstances, you'll usually find your creditors etc more than happy to accept something other than the worthless money. If the dollar gets dethroned, nobody will force you to keep acknowledging it as king... unless you're unfortunate enough that your country gets taken over by some kind of dictatorship that does force you to use their worthless money. In which case, your PMs probably aren't going to be yours for too much longer anyway.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Well, for one thing... hypothetical situations are real easy to over-think. Until it begins playing out, none of us will know what all the rules will be. If you look at a FRN, though, you will see that is says, "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private". Given this, if the gubmint is still in control of the country, it might be difficult for stores to legally refuse FRNs as payment. Without price controls, though, perhaps they could raise prices to compensate for the decreased value of FRNs. If so, then there could be a dual pricing system wherein one might pay $25 in FRNs for a loaf of bread but only $0.25 in 90% silver coin.


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I'd then follow up, after paying off debt, with as much bartering as I can.

Right! The trick would be to use up as much of the dying currency as we could while preserving the PMs for later.


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Assuming the dollar has crashed - why are you trying to "cash in" on your silver? Silver IS money - so why trade it for worthless paper?

Crashed does not necessarily mean that it is dead and has no value. It could mean that the old dollar has simply lost a lot of its value but is still usable as currency for buying food and fuel or paying debts. If the currency is still being used but is less valuable, then we could trade some silver for currency that we would then immediately spend, such as to buy food and fuel. There would be no reason to trade PMs for currency and then just hold the currency. Because the value of the old currency is likely to be a lot less, we would get more per oz. of PM traded. Of course, a lot of the prices would likely be sky high too but at least this would allow us to trade with those who do not accept PMs in trade.


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If you've got to exchange your precious metals for other objects of value (like food), why not find someone prepared to swap for them directly?

Yes, that would be ideal but there might not be anyone close by who would do that. In this scenario, fuel is likely to be in very short supply, perhaps even rationed, for some time, so it's not as if we can drive all over town looking for the best buys and who takes what currency. We could all be walking or riding bikes at this point.


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Unfortunately, there is no theoretical "lowest possible value", beyond which it cannot collapse further.

Perhaps not in the world of theory, where taking successive steps that are half as long as the one before it requires an infinite number of steps to get anywhere, but in the real world, close really IS good enough. Consider the "value" of the $100T Zimbabwe dollar bill. Fourteen zeros on that hummer and it still wasn't worth much, if anything. Maybe it wasn't worth zero but it was close enough as to not matter. At some point, people simply quit using the currency and it becomes well and truly dead.


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In 1960, silver was $1 an ounce. So from the perspective of someone from the sixties, the dollar has already "collapsed" to the extent you describe. However, it took 50 years to do that - hardly an emergency situation.

Yeah? Tell that to us older folks who worked hard and saved our money only to watch inflation melt it away. Yes, quite a few of us have a lot of dollars but the amount of real goods and services that we can buy with them are MUCH less than they were in the 1960s... which I, for one, remember quite well. Silver was about $1.30 an oz. back then which is why a silver dollar only had about 0.77 oz. of it. (not quibbling, just sayin')

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 Posted 12/29/2011  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol instead of making a scenario, I should have just said "you have to sell all of your precious metals for reason X, how do you do it efficiently."
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That presentation would get different replies!
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Lol instead of making a scenario, I should have just said "you have to sell all of your precious metals for reason X, how do you do it efficiently."

Classic case of be careful what you ask for? Actually, I find these "what if" scenarios a lot of fun. I enjoy seeing the ideas that others have about such things. We can all learn a lot from these "what if"s.
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