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Anyone Think Australia Might Change It's Coins?

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 Posted 12/27/2011  05:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ausjack to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just wondering if anyone thinks Australia might go the way of the kiwi's and change it's coinage like they have?

Going off the new kiwi's I've got it would save heaps of money as they must be so cheap to produce and they feel so light weight give me a good solid coin that can take a hit any day

I don't think we would as it would cost way to much to replace all our money that's in circulation..but then you just never know
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 Posted 12/27/2011  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both New Zealand and the UK have changed their coinage to a smaller and more lightweight version.

The RAMs official stance is that there are no plans to make any changes.

I think the change of monarch (when it eventually happens) would be the perfect time to make some changes. Much as I hate to say it I think the Kiwis have got a much more sensible system.

get rid of the 5c
make the 10c a copper coin
make smaller, lighter 20c and 50c
make a $2 coin that is larger than the $1.

I hate admitting that the Kiwis have done a better job than us
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 Posted 12/27/2011  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ausjack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a pic of the old and new kiwi 50..I like the old as I can see the coins to start with

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 Posted 12/27/2011  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Philski to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They will have to think about it when copper and nickel prices recover I would think or a change of Monarch or we became a Republic or excuse the pun "common cents" ever prevailed? Perhaps aluminium bronze or anodized aluminium for longer life and affordability? or clad steel like the Kiwi coins? I would be happy if they just went back to good old silver so my Fiat had real value to back it up. Or just go plastic everything. No more money so the banks control the lot and every cent is accountable. but I dont think they would like the blood thirsty riots.
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 Posted 12/27/2011  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The relative exchange rates of the Australian and NZ dollars means that, whatever the Kiwis do with their money, Australia will follow suit within a decade.

Sooner or later, Australia will be forced to change - when the cost of making them exceeds face value. It's been hovering around the break-even point for a few years now, but hasn't quite been in loss-making territory for long enough to force them to recommend making the change.

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make a $2 coin that is larger than the $1.

I'm afraid you'll be out of luck, there. If the only reason they change the coinage is because the old coins are too expensive to produce, then the $2 is the cheapest of the lot to make - they won't be replacing it with a larger (and therefore more expensive) coin anytime soon. The only thing that might force a change in design of the $2 is as a response to the increasing numbers of counterfeit $2 coins in circulation.

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The RAMs official stance is that there are no plans to make any changes.

I think the change of monarch (when it eventually happens) would be the perfect time to make some changes.

I suspect you are correct, and the RAM is (secretly and unofficially) hoping that the Queen passes away before the cost of coin production forces them to implement two separate changes to the coinage (new specifications and new obverse design).

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I don't think we would as it would cost way to much to replace all our money that's in circulation.

Are you kidding? If metal prices rise to the point that a 5 cent coin is worth 6 cents on the scrap metal market, then recalling and selling the old coins for scrap metal would gain the government profit, and issuing replacement coinage would gain the government even more profit - remember, they get to book seigniorage as revenue. The only costs is in shipping all that old scrap metal and new coinage supplies all over the country, and that's a cost the banks generally wear, rather than the government.
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 Posted 12/27/2011  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve - Oz 50c man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if a 5c coin was worth 6c in scrap I suspect that the government would not get the chance to recall them... there would be two lines, one at the bank to withdraw 5c coins and one at the scrap metal dealers....
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 Posted 12/27/2011  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If our coins were to change then all the vending machines would have to be changed as well.
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 Posted 12/27/2011  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Enlil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All countries change their coins sooner or later.
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I think that they will be made out of steel and reatain their current sizes.
Would be nicer if they went with the clad ones like the US coins
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 Posted 12/27/2011  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinManTim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'd agree with MobOfRoos --> coins wouldn't change until a change of Monarch.

BUT!! I think we will see our significant change when Australia finally becomes a republic. (I'm neither a Monarchist nor in favour of a republic, but if it produces a new set of coin (and consequently, finality of our current sets) I'd think it tops!)
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 Posted 12/27/2011  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uluru might make a good replacement image, are there any coins featuring Uluru?
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 Posted 12/28/2011  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If our coins were to change then all the vending machines would have to be changed as well.


Most vending machines these days don't accept 5c. Even the "mint your own coin" at the RAM in Canberra won't accept 5c pieces (which seems kind of wrong that they won't accept their own coins. ....but I digress).

So it seems that the world is already preparing itself for the end of the 5c piece. I think that a nanosecond after the cost of producing a 5c becomes greater than the face value of the coin we will see the end of the 5c.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think that a nanosecond after the cost of producing a 5c becomes greater than the face value of the coin we will see the end of the 5c.

The moment to change has passed, for now - at least, for economic reasons. The most logical times would have been the nickel shortage of 2006/7 (when N.Z. made the change) and the copper peak about a year ago (Dec 2010/Jan 2011). Prices for both nickel and copper have been on a downward trend all year, so they're well back into the safe zone. According to CurrencyDebasement.com, metal cost for the 5c, 10c and 20c is currently 57% of their face value.

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BUT! I think we will see our significant change when Australia finally becomes a republic. (I'm neither a Monarchist nor in favour of a republic, but if it produces a new set of coin (and consequently, finality of our current sets) I'd think it tops!)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: just because we are a monarchy doesn't mean we are obliged to put the queen's portrait on the coinage. Papua New Guinea is a constitutional monarchy with QEII as head of state, just like us, but they don't put her picture on their coins. Of the sixteen Commonwealth Realms, only twelve of them issue their own circulating coinage and of those, only eight of them routinely use the royal portrait on the obverse.

Australian coinage design, as laid out by Section 13A of the 1965 Currency Act, is ultimately up to the federal politicians (specifically, the Treasurer). In theory, Wayne Swan could get rid of the queen's portrait tomorrow. The problem is, every time someone suggests removing her from the coinage, monarchists cry out, "Republicanism by stealth!". No politician is going to be game enough to touch that particular hot potato without a very good reason.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  06:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both very good points Sap. But I would like to add a couple of points of my own.

- the base metal price is only part of the cost of production of a coin.


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No politician is going to be game enough to touch that particular hot potato without a very good reason.


- so you are in fact agreeing that in the real world only a republic would change the obverse of our coins.

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 Posted 12/28/2011  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If Australia were to become a republic, a great deal of administrative change and development would have to take place. A change in coinage would only be a part of this. A great deal of cost overall would be attached to the change to a republic. I really don't think that many people have considered the resultant costs of such a large change.

In the area of coinage only, I think Sap is right. Metal costs in most other countries seem to be the main driver of necessary alterations to the coinage system.
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 Posted 12/28/2011  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ausjack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks people, you have all made excellent points and I like how you ALL can say what I want to just a heck of a lot better, I really appreciate it, thank you.
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