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1944 - S Florin Grade

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 Posted 12/29/2011  01:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add joshtammi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Finally bought a coin guide, got McDonalds, because it gave values for all conditions over Renniks.

I have found a 1944S florin, in an old coin box, so just wondering what its grade is, all 16 pears are visible and the centre diamond looks good.

Reverse is not as decent with a few marks here and there.

I would say it was not circulated very long and has been in storage for about 65 years

Also, for future reference where can I find out info on how to grade Australian Coins based on properties such as the number of pearls or rim beads etc?

Thanks

1944---S-Florin-Grade

1944---S-Florin-Grade
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 Posted 12/29/2011  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try these for starters...
http://www.cruzis-coins.com/Grading...lthcoins.pdf
http://reviews.ebay.com.au/Coin-Gra...000001207557
http://www.thepurplepenny.com/the-i...self,47.html
http://www.triton.vg/grading.html

That should be enough to get your head spinning.


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Reverse is not as decent with a few marks here and there.
Did you mean obverse. I thought reverse looked much better than obverse.

Jeff
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12/29/2011 02:05 am
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I would grade this coin gVF, I note that this coin is not that rare in mint state and is actually not even that rare in gem uncirculated condition.

This coin does not have pearls (and definately does not have 16 pearls). The number of pearls and centre diamond refers to coins minted from 1910-36 in Australia. Pearls are like the beads on the kings crown (they are all at slightly different heights and thus are a good indication of wear) so that is why so many people refer to wear on them. Given your comment I assume that you are just starting out (always a fun time).

In terms of grading, my best tip would not be to look online and instead get a few tips from this sub-forum (there is a ANDA grading guide and other grading links but personally I've never found them very helpful). Also look at reputable dealers websites (sterlingcurrency is probably a good one) which show coins and generally have a pretty accurate description and allow you to zoom in on the image.

My further advice would be not to spend alot of money and if you are really interested in learning about coins go to an auction viewing, view some items and write down what you think the grade of each one is, then go back to the catalogue later and see how close you were to the grades. Any other questions I'm sure other members of the forum or myself would be more than happy to help you.
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*I just worked out what you meant by the 16 pearls, yes while there are 16 pearls on the reverse of the coin that is not where you will typically see wear first. I always look first at the emu feathers, then the kangaroo face/legs, then the coat of arms and the details on emblems. I could be wrong, but looking at the number of pearls on the reverse probably won't help you grade coins of this era.
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Your florin is nice. I think dcoin is fairly accurate at gVF. Reverse is extra nice.

Three photos showing high points on the obverse of KGV, KGVI and QEII. Theyre copper not silver but are still useful as guides for points to look for when grading.

1944---S-Florin-Grade
Look for wear around the base of the crown. The two pearls highlighted are usually the first thing to go.

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Look for the side burns and the general detail in the hair.

1944---S-Florin-Grade
Look for wear around the ear and hear line. Sometimes this is weakly struck though so can be a bit confusing.

Something I really hate is rim nicks. Dont know if they bother others so much but I think they detract quite a bit.
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yep whoops meant reverse is better than obverse :/

Oh really? I thought the 16 little beads on the crown on the reverse where the pearls (the 4 sets of 4) ? darn I've been misled:P

Nope they arent that highly valued about $20 - but not bad, picked it up for 50c :)
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If you look at the first photo from enworb, that is the 4 sets of 2 pearls that people always refer to, the highlighted 2 pearls are the first to show wear.

For 50c you can't go wrong.
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This is also an example of a gem uncirculated coin of this date, hopefully the images show some differences in the detail.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUSTRALIA-1...260902427404

I have also included a picture of a 1944 florin I would grade to be in fine condition for comparison purposes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1944s-Austr...em3cc0368e82
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 Posted 12/29/2011  05:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Using the Australian threepence calculator it has $9.13 worth of silver in it (even after silver has dropped so much).

50c is insane! Where did you get it? Nice job.
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Joshtammi I would grade this as fine, great ear detail but lacking hair detail.
These arn't rare but at 50 cents a pop you are well in front currant melt on this is better than 9 bucks
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 Posted 12/29/2011  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joshtammi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
picked it up at the local trash n treasure :)

What is with the silver dropping so low, I was about to buy a 10Oz bar last week, today it is $20 cheaper...
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Amazing buy for 50c :)
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