Cents - Are These Examples Of Jam Strikes?

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Originally posted by jim in wmass

Greatings madhandles761991,

That would be nice if they where some sort of Jam strike. One thing though my 1st post was for the Jam Die only. That's the one I asked about in the beginning. The number he examined were two and only a couple have bee reported since. This was prior to his 1991 publication.

But then there is a second The Intentional Die Jam. A Die setter can creat one anywhere on a coin. He does not state anything about the number he has examined, but the rarity scale drop one to two notches down the scale. Who knows it could be a 4.

The intentional is the one mine resembles mine more closely.

Good Day Coppercoins,

Yes I'll agree with your point about what you reguard as hammering since you insist on using the term. But to say a hammer or hammered is far fetched since there is no evidence of a true hammer, mallet, a stone ever hitting these pieces; except for that indentation that may have been caused from an intensional Jam Strike on the side and the place at the date where a planchet may have hammered into all may have been the cause of a Jam Strike of a sort.

When I look at these coins, I don't judge them for what I see, but for what they might be. That's what a variety collector should truely do, he looks for everything. Take away the Errors as defined by the Error collector and you still have a VARIETY of issue within the coining process. And most with a rarity scale. Machanical issues are known to happen such as a mechanically damaged planchets. You probably don't collect those though because they were chewed by a machine used in the mint process. If the machine blundered, that's an ERROR on the machines part.

I'm looking for it all, the suspicious, even the ugly in the coining process.


I believe my coins may have issues done to it by a die setter at the mint. If so it was done during the minting process. But instead of you looking at these as ERROR coins as you called it earlier, why not look at it a VARIETY since this is a " VARIETY" and ERROR board. I never said it was an ERROR. All I said is they were found in a can with a lot of errors including the 55 Double Die.

About your points.

" All of them are on the date. Doesn't that seem sort of fishy to you? "


1. I could argue the fact that there seems to have been a lot of problems going on in the date area of the Lincoln Cent in those periods, especially with breaks. If the date area was a target of an intentional Jam Strike during a die alignment, then obviously that is where the die setter would place the planchet on edge. So no I don't think that's fishy at all to be placed in the same areas.

" None of them are the right thickness for a cent, nor do they appear to be caused by something rounded. All of them were caused by something squared off."

2. How can you judge from where you are that my coins are not of the right thickness, the 1st batch of pics are laying flat ? The second batch of pictures are different sizes is that's your logic? I never stated they were'nt the right thickness? There you go again you make a statement about something you know nothing about.

"All of them show evidence of the pounding on the reverse. If a true 'jam strike', these would have happened in the coining chamber and would be sitting against the reverse die. The reverse wouldn't show any sign of the problem on the obverse."


3. All reverses show pertrusions coming out of them, not something pounding on them as you so eliquently state. Since you have never heard of a "Jam Strike" you insist on defining the process. Why do you insist on defining the process, at least quote the source of your information. Find some images of an intentional jam strike, and show them to every one. I would love to see one.

"As pointed out before, evidently jam strikes are very rare. You have nearly a half dozen coins, all from different dates, and all of them damaged at the date. If these are so rare, your chances of hitting that many of them in one change jar would be astronomical. Maybe a career in lottery tickets is looming?"


4. I wished I could win the lottery, but then again I do not play with the odds game. But there are three types of Jam Strikes

A. An intentional Jam Strike is done during a die adjustment by the die setter. Rarity 5-6 according to the. This might be something like mine

B. There is the Jam Strike, nearly similar but of the accidental type and denoting the Die Adjusting - Rarity 7. This one I'm to be backing away from, and am seeing lots more simalarity's with that of 1 the Die Adjustment Jam Strike. So my odd as you look at it have come up a couple notches, meaning a greater possibility. Much more possible than one might think maybe.

C. The Jammed Edge Die Strike does not relate to my coins but is a Rarity 7. I throw this in there because it sound the same as the other to but is related to the rim only.

So now we have 3 types of jam strikes done by the U.S. Mint, that are not terminology's found in the numismatic world.

Who knows there may be other ways of creating a Jam Strike not yet explained.

Many collectors may have passed these up when searching thinking it was damage done outside the mint like yourself.

The collector may have been told by an ERROR collector like yourself, that they were hammered and held no real value. Believing you were the knowledgable one, they spent them.

Maybe this hasn't be reported because some ERROR collectors send the wrong message. That's what I'm trying to say.

They may be damaged, but they might be damages from the minting proceess coupled with the human factor or dies setters damages. Since you never actually seen one or heard of one, your points are mute.

On page 227. of in The Official Price Guide - Minting Variety and Errors 5th ed, By Alan Hebert III-1-2 Edge Strike (E) section it shows two bent planchets, and the planchet on the left certainly fits the criteria I am looking for when it comes to a intentional jam strike.