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Ebay Silver, Well Over Market Value? What About Platinum?

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 Posted 01/01/2012  07:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add crystalH to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I've always been interested in buying silver for an investment. However I have watched ebay for approx the last 6ish months and it seems like the junk coins stay the same. When silver was around $36 an ounce each 80% silver dollar sold for approx $25. Now that silver is down to $27 an ounce, they are still being sold for close to the same. The site I use says the coins are worth just under $17, so I dont really get it, can someone help a newbie out with some answers? Also, if anyone can give me any hints where to buy at fair prices I would love them long time :)

Should I invest in junk coins or silver bars?

Another quick thing that I dont really see talked about here when browsing, is platinum. With it's dramatic drop in recent months do you think it would be an absolute lock to invest in it?

Thanks everyone!
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 Posted 01/01/2012  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There has been a big window of opportinity to invest in Pt, if you think gold is over valued relative to it. I do. I have had a 1oz. Pt coin for over 10 years.

Will I buy some more Pt? No. Don't have the money for that now.

If you are investing in bullion silver, the pure form is best. There is less to worry about with the variation of other than pure silver.

Having said that, I have quite a lot of junk silver coin. I did not particularly invest in it. It has just happened that way.
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 Posted 01/01/2012  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rastatodd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of my precious metal purchases have come from other members from this site. I have score some real good deals from the kindness of other CCF members. I as well have been watching ebay and the premiums that say 90% US junk are going for is out of this world. If you buy on ebay, its like how high of a premium can you withstand. I myself am on the sidelines when it comes to acquiring my pm from ebay. Buy from fellow members first if at all possible.
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 Posted 01/01/2012  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
USA junk silver at today's current spot price is worth $20.10 for every $1 dollar face value for quarters and dimes at .723 oz. A Morgan silver dollar at .773 oz of silver is worth $21.49.

Provident is selling mix junk silver at $20.77 for $1 face value. This is their lowest price but it can go up a few dollars for specific coins such as Franklin half's etc. Morgans always carry a little more premium and depending on what you are looking for can have a large price range. For example a damaged or culled silver dollar will be much cheaper than a BU silver dollar. Then of course the key dates will carry a larger numismatic value in addition.

APMEX is selling what I call average circulated 90% at around $22.22 for $1 face value in $100 total face value amounts. Of course the price can go up for better conditions coins. Again Morgans depend on condition and dates. They have 1921 BU Morgans for sale at $36.99 per coin. Their damaged or culled Morgans are at $27.11 - cheaper if you buy larger amounts though.

These are not the only two places to consider but I reference them only to give you an idea of the prices in the market place as they are at this time.

There are several ways to speculate in silver. General silver rounds and bars carry less of a premium. You can find some good deals on silver bullion coins such as Canadian Maples.

There is no one way to speculate in silver. That is what makes is a little fun. For example I buy silver based on a few factors. My first is I want it as close to spot as I can get it. I prefer government issued bullion coins such as the Maple or ASE. In addition I like 90% USA coins (junk silver) if the price is right.

You will find others like general bars or rounds and yet others like a specific design. Some others will even speculate with silver & numismatics combined.

Don't start off buying high premium silver, learn the market first then buy what fits into you own style of speculating.
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 Posted 01/01/2012  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay seems to br way overpriced on alot of the silver there right now. I saw a bunch in the $37-$41 per ounce range. No bids of course.
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ebay is an open physical metal market and the prices there would seem to more properly reflect peoples attitudes towards the stuff. There is a difference between the manipulated paper markets and the physical markets, although the paper market mostly controls the physical prices for now.

I personally wouldn't sell at these low values knowing that we haven't fixed any of our economic problems.
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ebay dealers have to cover shipping sometimes when offered for free, and ebay and pay-pal fees, so no choice but to mark it higher, or eventually loose your shirt. Just is what it is....

When I buy local, I have to pay sales tax. But it is like a convenient store, as the name itself explains why everything is a bit more then what you would get at Myers or Wal-mart. Via the convenience of it. ebay is not really convenient, but for many in area's minus a good coin shop, it is their only option, and we have seen them list that fact here in the past....

Good luck finding any god deals on Platinum, and let me know where you can find it, lol....

Provident is cleaned out of Plat last I looked, minus the platypus 1 oz. round, which is marked real nice right now, bargain IMO....

Stick with pure silver is what I do, and higher proofs and quality items. Yeah it costs more, but it sales for more. So who cares, dead cancel out as far as I am concerned. And good luck moving average 90% or basic bars on ebay with all the comp and not take a lose. Another-words make you stash unique, one of a kind sells....

1.Lunar silver is sought after....
2.Britannia's are sought after....
3.ASE's sought after....
4.Canadian maples and animal series, sought after....
5.Watch out for the Panda's sought after as they are, too many fakes out there....

Lastly, I love me some silver bars. Monarch tombstone's are about my favs, or Englehards, or Scottsdale. Sealed up tight, nice and tone free. And free of touch of damaging finger prints, even though the old Monarch pours or Englehards are rarely ever sealed, if ever at all.....

Old pour bars command some re-dunk-u-lous premiums on ebay, just make sure they are from a dealer with 1000's of positive feed-backs, and that the bars are all stamped and marked .999 and made by a reputable company, etc....

I must say I really like those CARDED silver bars, via the PAMP Suisse Cornucopia and Lunar dragon bar these days. Absolutely beautiful, both of those bars are. And I just love the Swiss bars and their designs. Premiums on those command two an three times spot all day, just do a search for 50 or 100 gram version on ebay....



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01/01/2012 2:49 pm
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I will add that I think the one thing that is really positive about those sealed PAMP silver or gold bars even being over priced is, YOU KNOW YOU ARE GETTING A HIGH QUALITY LEGITIMATE REAL PRODUCT. And that is something that can't be over looked these days with all the con artists working around the clock as I type. Trying to make duplicates of all the fore mentioned, even though I don't think anyone has successfully faked a card PAMP bar yet, key word yet, and I could be totally wrong on that....

Like Ed B has been smart to buy all his silver from three watering holes to the best of my knowledge, in APMEX, Provident, and Silver-towne mostly, short of some local dealers. Three metal company's who's reps all speak for themselves, and he need not worry about having anything fake in his hoard. Where I have bought from all over ebay, and eventually if you do that, you will pick out a FAKE lemon, just is what it is....
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01/01/2012 3:03 pm
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 Posted 01/01/2012  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally ebay is good for old things that you really want. ebay is good for those things that are new and everyone wants. ebay has been great for me getting rid of junk at a better price than I could get anywhere else.

Coins & silver - always a better deal somewhere else. Now if your impatient ebay is your place to shop. You can usually get what you want when you want it just by paying more than you should.

So where do I find most of me deals? Never on ebay. However I am never in a hurry to get what I want.
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01/01/2012 4:07 pm
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Depends on what you're looking at. If it was a raw auction and not a set price, this is more indicative of what people are willing to pay.

Also, ebay ends up attracting buyers with a wide range of knowledge or lack thereof on what they're purchasing. All it takes is two bidders to think something still has the value published from last summer, and you get coins going for prices they did last summer.
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 Posted 01/02/2012  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newmismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with those who say the physical market is a more reliable reflection of true demand than the routinely manipulated digital market. Measuring the physical price by the virtual price is a case of the tail wagging the dog, in my opnion. That said, the liquidity of the physical market, especially if you're talking only about e-bay, pales in comparison to the liquidity of the digital market, which enjoys much higher volume, virtually no premiums, and a much closer spread between bid and ask.
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APMEX currently has some 1958 - 1967 Canadian Silver Dollars (AU/BU) on sale for $18-19 apiece, if that helps.
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All it takes is two bidders to think something still has the value published from last summer, and you get coins going for prices they did last summer.

Indeed so. Fact is, bidding on something is pretty much the essence of capitalism. If something has value to someone, they will bid on it and possibly push the price higher than its "actual" value. This is not a problem, really, but a basic price discovery mechanism. If a potential buyer is bidding and the price goes above what s/he thinks it is worth, they stop bidding and someone else ends up buying it at a higher price. This does not make the higher price "wrong" or "too high". Bidders have a value in mind and are willing to pay that amount. If what you are willing to pay is higher than what I am willing to pay, you get it and I keep looking. Both of us should be satisfied with the result. If not, then either you bid too long and / or I didn't bid long enough.


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