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Adventures In Poundage #1

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 Posted 01/06/2012  12:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ZiggyZ to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is the first in a (hopefully) series of posts that will document my experiences in buying bulk world coins by the pound, or as I've learned it's known in the business, poundage. While the usual advise is to focus one's collecting efforts, I know myself well enough to know that's never going to happen. As such, I have decided to start building my world collection through buying bulk lots. unfortunately I have been so far unable to find a coin shop in my area that sells world poundage, so my plan is to save up a little cash and buy a 25 pound lot from Black Mountain Coins.

In the meantime though I stumbled across a coin shop while out of town during the holidays and purchased a small lot (all they had) of world poundage.

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Cost was $5 for 1.6 pounds of coins, or $3.13/lb. This is significantly lower than others have reported as a market rate, so already the lot has started off well.

The first thing I noticed were some large Mexican pesos.

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These are from 1959-1962, and are heavily debased, 10% silver coins, totaling about 1/5 oz. of silver. Not a lot mind you, but basically these four coins just paid for the entire lot. From others' reports it also seems pretty rare to find any silver in these lots, so find some on my first time out makes me quite happy.

I am conscious of the fact that as I buy more of these lots, a larger and larger percentage of the coins will be duplicates (though probably not for a while, as I'm keeping unique dates/mm, not just unique types), and as such the cost per coin I keep will steadily rise. The obvious solution is to resell the duplicates in bulk lots to help defray this rising cost, but I also plan to separate out duplicates of currently circulating coinage of currencies commonly seen in these lots, and sell those separately. I assumed Canadian coins would be the most represented, and that certainly held true for this lot.

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That's just under $4 worth of Canadian coins. I figure British, Mexican and Euro coins will also be common enough to warrant separating, though in this small lot there was only about $1 worth of those coins. Still, even without the silver coins, the current coinage would have nearly paid for this lot, so no complaints here.

There were two 19th century coins in the lot. The first was a heavily worn 1870 Spanish 5 Centavos.

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The second was a much better preserved Austrian 1 Kreuzer coin from 1881.

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The rest of the coins ranged from the 1940's to the 2000's, with Mexico, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, and Japan being the most numerous. My favorite coin of the lot was a 1 Franc from St. Pierre & Miquelon, a French colony of the coast of Newfoundland I didn't even know existed, which has only ever minted two coins. I'm half way to a complete collection!

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In all the lot contained 113 keepers, which works out to about 4 1/2 cents per coin. There were 34 duplicates / culls, and 9 tokens. I'm keeping the tokens, but I'm just going to dump them all in a bag. I'll go through them at some point, but for now I've got plenty on my plate just with the coins.

Overall I would definitely rate this lot an A.
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 Posted 01/06/2012  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done. Where did you get the lot of coins, I might buy some.
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 Posted 01/06/2012  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ZiggyZ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't recall the name - it was a shop in Robertsdale, Alabama.
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 Posted 01/06/2012  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I definitely like tht last coin, I didnt know of that colony either and that's one of the things I like about world coins is you get a history/geography lesson too.

Do you have a Krause catalog? If that colony only ever minted 2 coins I'd bet they might be worth something right there.

The other thing I wanted to point out is that once you get enough posts & time in here, you might look at the trade section. Lots of folks seem to trade world coins to get rid of duplicates and acquire new at the same time.
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A few points to note about poundage.

Not a great chance of finding many silver coins, that is OK, You should expect that.

It is worth extracting all pure nickel coins from the mix.

Typically an 'average' coin weighs in at around 5 grammes. That yields 80 to 100 coins per pound, a 25 pound lot has 2,000 to 2,500 coins in it.

After going through a few poundage lots, you will notice some coins are more common than others. With the further searching of lots these coins continue to repeat. Sooner or later it will become increasingly hard to find new coins some of which you may need to complete sub sets. The Law Of Diminishing Returns applies.

There comes a time when you will want to discard unwanted coins, as the result of multiple duplication. It is at that time that disposal of these becomes increasingly important. Recycling these back to their source should be negotiated before purchase if possible, but obviously the price you get for them will be less.

Some scarce unwanted duplicates may wery well find interested buyers on the 'Net.

When it is no longer to your advantage to buy poundage lots, searching dealer's junk bins is still at an option, either at coin shows or on their premises.

During the whole of this process the opportunity to ugrade should present itself.

The cost per coin to build an extensive collection is very low, and you can get a huge numismatic fun for your dollar spent.
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 Posted 01/07/2012  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
St-Pierre et Miquelon belongs to France, it is the only territory that Great-Britain left France after they lost the 7 years war in Europe and when the 13 colonies beat New-France in North America, the only option France had was to give up the territories in North America and GB left only a tiny island near Newfoundland, which is St-Pierre et Miquelon.

The reason the 13 colonies won was because they had established businesses and industries, GB had made it a place to live and get a family, while France had used it only for resources and a large hunting territory. The 13 colonies had about 1 600 000 habitants on a quite small, well defended territory, New France had only 75 000 habitants on a vaste, not well prepared or defended territory.

Just a quick history lesson from what I can remember from history class, I got 98% in my report card (I love history) .The British have been kicking butt since the beginning, I am proud to have such a proud heritage and French heritage too (:
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01/07/2012 12:39 am
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Poundage was just the way I started when I began collecting seriously and like you I wanted evry variety/date/mint.
Buying them in Europe (living in GB at the time) gave me a great variety in every lot especially pre-Euro years.
But as others have pointed out you do reach a point where additions for your collection do diminish.
Due to unfortunate circumstances I had to off-load all my unwanteds rather quickly and decided to donate them to a charity (it was over 200 pounds - 100 kilos).
However the whole experience has provided me with (over the years) a current collection of over 12,000 coins and a passion that I will always keep.
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