Wow--Just Saw This..and I Had A Bid In..counterfeit/Fake PCGS Slab Ike

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ilikeikes Pillar of the Community United States 1205 Posts	Posted 01/11/2012 7:53 pm I'm off to my monthly coin club meeting, but wanted to start a thread...JUST saw this thread on here, relating to evasive colonials, and found this FAKES link, on FLICKER:http://www.flickr.com/photos/coinforgeryebay/ 12-31-11-recent ebay auction for a slabbed PCGS PR70 1977-S IKE---more later tonight, all I can say is if(and it IS) this is really happening, it spells bigtime gloom and doom for the industry...I've heard of this, of course, but, this is GETTING SCARY FOLKS...not sure about cert#, and will run it later...I hear the numbers run fine, and THAT's the scary thing, cause NO way to otherwise know a fake. ==================================================== ebay Counterfeit PCGS PR70DCAM 1977-S Ike dollar, Certification Number 11654932 Buyer Beware of These PCGS Counterfeits on the Market ebay Listing Number: 120836839203 Listing Date: Dec 31-2011 (3 Day Listing) Item Location: Castro Valley, CA, United States Sold: Jan 03-2012 for $710. To view the genuine Heritage pedigree please use the following link. Sold at the 2009 September Long Beach, CA Signature US Coin Auction #1129 for $3,737.50 coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1129&... All rights reserved Uploaded on Jan 10, 2012 0 comments ebay Counterfeit PCGS PR70DCAM 1977-S Ike dollar, Certification Number 11654932 Buyer Beware of These PCGS Counterfeits on the Market ebay Listing Number: 120836839203 Listing Date: Dec 31-2011 (3 Day Listing) Item Location: Castro Valley, CA, United States Sold: Jan 03-2012 for $710. To view the genuine Heritage pedigree please use the following link. Sold at the 2009 September Long Beach, CA Signature US Coin Auction #1129 for $3,737.50 coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1129&... All rights reserved Uploaded on Jan 10, 2012 0 comments Report this Post to the Staff

Petersun Pillar of the Community Canada 1700 Posts	Posted 01/11/2012 8:11 pm Counterfeit? Report this Post to the Staff
scubu Locked 822 Posts	Posted 01/11/2012 8:11 pm LOL, How do you put "Â© All Rights Reserved" on images and text completely ripped from ebay. Report this Post to the Staff
wvparadox Valued Member United States 114 Posts	Posted 01/11/2012 9:32 pm So... what is an amateur like me to do ? Report this Post to the Staff
smokeriderdon Pillar of the Community United States 3755 Posts	Posted 01/11/2012 10:02 pm OK, so a bit confused here. Is the claim that the slabe is fake or the coin? Report this Post to the Staff
dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 01/11/2012 10:46 pm Did they pirate the image of the original slabbed coin and are in fact selling nothing? Not that I would ever intend to purchase a PR70 Ike. Report this Post to the Staff
biggfredd Rest in Peace United States 9104 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 05:38 am , wvparadox! So... what is an amateur like me to do ? Either learn before you spend or find a knowledgeable mentor. Report this Post to the Staff
biggfredd Rest in Peace United States 9104 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 05:48 am Quote: Did they pirate the image of the original slabbed coin and are in fact selling nothing? That sounds like the situation, not that it's a fake slab, tho it could be a fake that will be shipped to the top buyer (and the three runner ups). Did I read that PCGS will verify any of their slabs? And didn't they come up with artificial DNA to verify stuff they slobbed? Report this Post to the Staff
cc99999 Pillar of the Community United States 1302 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 08:09 am Just one more sign that PCGS needs to drop this label design and do everything Secure +, that is if they aren't infringing on the copyright of this individual who is suing them and NGC: http://www.scribd.com/doc/63695728/...ervice-et-al (for the record, I'm not so sure that this lawsuit is legitimate, as the plaintiff seems to be a career patent maker of obvious things) Report this Post to the Staff
oih82w8 Pillar of the Community United States 7840 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 08:25 am The certificate number is good, although may have been used more than once by unscrupulous individuals; According to the PCGS Certification Database, the requested certification number is defined as the following: COIN INFORMATION Cert Verification #: 11654932 PCGS Coin #: 97437 Date, mintmark: 1977-S Denomination: $1 Variety: Minor Variety: Mint Error: Pedigree: Country: The United States of America Grade: PR70DC Mintage: 3,251,152 PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $4,500 Holder Type: Standard Population: 13 Auction Appearances of This Coin Date Price Firm Sale Notes 9/11/2009 $3,738.00 Heritage 2009 September Long Beach, CA Signature US Coin Auction #1129 4/1/2008 $6,325.00 Heritage CSNS08 6/24/2007 $5,600.00 Teletrade Auction 2385 http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/11654932/ Edited by oih82w8 01/12/2012 08:53 am Report this Post to the Staff
SteveCaruso Pillar of the Community United States 1796 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 08:37 am Well I'm glad that someone is finally going after them for doubling the Sheldon Scale. However I'm a bit saddened that it's someone who wants to use it themselves. :-P Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 1:04 pm I looked but could not find the claimed ebay listing either as a finished auction or one removed by ebay. I would say both the coin and the slab are fake. Ike's facial expression does not appear right and the eye definitely looks wrong. Report this Post to the Staff
Kaus New Member United States 38 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 6:59 pm I agree the eye looks off, could just be the picture. Kinda sad seeing I've been buying some slabbed ikes lately Report this Post to the Staff
biggfredd Rest in Peace United States 9104 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 7:04 pm Quote: Auction Appearances of This Coin Date Price Firm Sale Notes 9/11/2009 $3,738.00 Heritage 2009 September Long Beach, CA Signature US Coin Auction #1129 4/1/2008 $6,325.00 Heritage CSNS08 6/24/2007 $5,600.00 Teletrade Auction 2385 Keep the bolded numbers in mind when you think about investing in rare coins. Report this Post to the Staff
biggfredd Rest in Peace United States 9104 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 7:09 pm Quote: I looked but could not find the claimed ebay listing either as a finished auction or one removed by ebay. It's sometimes difficult to get the right URL. Here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/120836839203 That's what removed by ebay looks like. Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 01/12/2012 8:55 pm the thing about these fake slabs is they caught on pretty quickly and now use legit certification numbers from past sales on Heritage, Teletrade and other auction houses. Once they have a fake coin and the fake slabs they go looking for legit certification numbers on these auction house sites and they copy the legit cert number and place that on the fake label so when you go to look up the certification number it looks like its legit, which the cert is real and a coin was graded at that same grade, but not the coin and slab you are looking at. You can go to Heritage and look at the original images and see if they match up but other than that you have to know how to spot these fake slabs before you purchase these coins This is the original on Heritage http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...9&lotNo=1213 And this is the pictures from Heritage, with the one above beside it Report this Post to the Staff
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Wow--Just Saw This..and I Had A Bid In..fake PCGS Slab Ike