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2 Roman Provincials I Like

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 Posted 01/11/2012  8:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Part of me wanted to honor the fact that this group has shown a bit of interest recently in Roman Provincial coins by posting a few I particularly like. I realize that what I like is not always what is generally popular and many of my coins have some little thing that set them apart 'to me' but probably not to many people.

I could not decide which of these is most favored of two so anyone interested can see both. Both are bronzes of Tomis on the Black Sea in what is now Romania. Both have obverse vis-a-vis facing busts of Gordian III and his wife Tranquillina and are among the relatively common coins available to represent this lady.


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The first has the reverse type of Athena surrounded by the Greek legend 'City of Tomis'. What makes the coin interesting to me is that it is marked to the denomination in assaria. Cities in this region often had coins marked delta (four) or Epsilon (five) assaria but Tomis issues some coins marked 4 1/2. The half mark "<" in the right field might remind you of some coins of Licinius marked XII< a century later. A theory I have heard and have no reason to doubt is that these coins enabled money changing transactions that would not be easily done with the other common denominations.


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While 4 1/2 coins are not too hard to find, the second coin here is the only one I have seen. The reverse is Tyche with the same legend as the first but the denomination mark has been erased (perhaps 'dug out' is better?) from the die. There is a raised lump of metal in the left field. I really do not know what denomination the die was before it was changed or what it became (I do not own the book on these) but I find this die alteration fascinating. A minor additional point of interest is that the obverse centration dimple (recessed) has a small raised point near it (about 7 o'clock). The small dot was in the die and used to scribe a layout circle for the beaded border. Such dots were on most dies but most were erased by cutting central devices over them. The paired portraits had nothing in the center so the dot remained. The larger recessed dimple was part of the flan manufacturing process but not on the die so it is in a slightly different position on each coin. The first coin here had the two dots fall on top of each other so only the larger pit shows. I love this coin for all it has to teach about the coining process. If my grandson sells it when I'm gone, I'll be disappointed. I would like to hear if anyone sees other die erasures (for sale or not).
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 Posted 01/11/2012  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting coins and explanation!
I enjoy reading about die-making processes of any period.
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 Posted 01/11/2012  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for this post Doug.

I have become interested in provincials lately. So far mainly because of this mix between the earlier Greek mythology and the Roman culture.

I'm just beginning to understand some things about the dies used. I think dies that were used are more traceable and understandable than later Roman because there were fewer made during this time. I think.

I'm afraid it will be a few more years before I can see many of the minute details you talk about, but we're learning all the time.
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Those are two beauties. I enjoy collecting provinicals and have a number in my collection. They can be difficult to attribute because of the lack of information available. The online sources don't list all the types. Here is one of my 4 Assaria of Severus Alexander from Tomis. The delta mark is under the eagles wing.

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I have read an article in the
Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine
that puts forward the idea that the central pit dimple marks in the designs of this series may have been locating marks, so that metal could be turned off the cast blanks for weight adjustment.

All of this series of coins have biased chamfered edges.
After adjustment for weight, the blanks were re heated to soften the alloy to allow striking. That would be the reason why marks left behind for weight adjustment are hard to find.
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Yes - I think the central dimples are definitely part of a process in getting the die to the correct weight. The dimples are often not aligned so it was not a lathe like device that was used - but something that "smoothed" for want of a better word - one side at a time.
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I bought a few myself maybe they will be here today. I like the size and designs. My favorite color on ancients is a glossy green and that second coin you have there is an especially nice one dougsmit they are all nice coins.
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