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1971 Yellow-Goldish Canadian Penny

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 Posted 01/13/2012  10:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Eric367 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a curious 1971 yellow-goldish Canadian penny. I never saw something like that. It does not seem to be made of copper, nor does it seem to be "painted" over, as is still shinning as if it is in mint condition. It also seem a bit lighter that ordinary 1971 pennies. I wonder if it is a test penny, as they were changing pennies in 1971.

I cannot find any information about this. Is there anyone who would know about this kind of coin, and if so, does it have any special value?

Thank you in advance.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Eric, welcome to the forum.

It's quite common for people to gold plate cents, it's also common for heated cents to take on a yellowy greeny hue as a layer of brass is formed on the surface when they are heated hot (like on a stove etc). Further, I've seen them pickled in zinc powder and then heated to form a heavy brass coating. Given all the options on how to make a cent yellow;

A picture would be most appreciated in making a diagnosis.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric367 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK.

Here are 2 pictures, one for each side, of the coin with a regular 1971 penny.

Thanks

Eric

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 Posted 01/13/2012  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An accurate weight would also be helpful...perhaps you could try to access a jeweller\s scale.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric367 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK. I will try a jeweller tomorrow.

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 Posted 01/13/2012  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on that colour (and it can be off because photo colours do lie) I believe you have a genuine gold plated cent. They are usually the result of high school chemistry demos or if it is gold plate it could very easily be one of mine I've thrown back into the wild.

I'm not 100% sure it's gold plate, but I'm pretty sure it's plating. The sharpest edges of the rims show a darker shade of copper underneath and the overall toning and shading has that look and feel I've seen a lot of.

As always, this is just my opinion. Thanks for sharing it.

Picture of cent, blown up to show rim edges

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 Posted 01/13/2012  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric367 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is the shadow from the light I used. The edge is the same yellow-goldish color. Unfortunately, I had to reduce the picture size to fit the forum max of 100K per picture. Also, I could not use a flash because it illuminates the coin too much. As well, I had to take the picture from an angle to show the the relief, but by doing so the top part of the picture is a bit blurry. The coin itself is sharp, as if it was new.
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 Posted 01/14/2012  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I'm not afraid of being wrong at all.

The next steps in diagnosis are accurate weight with a good scale as Smallcentguy recommended. It wouldn't be the first Canadian coin struck on a foreign planchet or the first alloy problem with a Canadian coin (big joke here). I'm hanging with my initial diagnosis for now though, if I'm wrong I'm wrong.

Let us know how it goes.
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I have seen Unc copper nickel coins tone to about this color.

Ugly: There is a chance that you are NOT wrong. I have had coins gold plated myself.
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 Posted 01/14/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collectall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the only gold plated coin I have.Try a comparison

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Alright, I went to a jeweler, and they confirmed that it is a gold plated coin, but it is a nicely done.

Thanks to all.
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 Posted 01/14/2012  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for getting back to us Eric.
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 Posted 01/15/2012  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zinc is the easy one and is very fun, I mention this method in another thread on gold coloured cents. It looks very yellow when compared to gold side by side, more pale. With gold plate you get flashes of red and shadows in the fields because that is the nature of the hurry up quick electro plating they do in demonstrations.

I figured this one is gold because I have been plating things for the past quarter century in nickel, silver, gold, copper and zinc among others. The jeweler would not have mistaken the brass layer for gold either and brass formed this way would not have left the plating signs I see in the photo. Brass made like this literally "runs" over the surface of the cent and mixes with the under- layer of molten copper. This kind of plating shown in the video is extremely durable BUT it leaves the underlying copper annealed and soft, therefore easily bent and damaged.

Anyone trying this stick to real copper cents, zinc cents will melt into a puddle if you do this and steel plated cents can actually "pop" apart under heat if this is attempted. Besides the copper layer isn't thick enough on plated cents and they just get destroyed.

Notice in the video that they start they demo with plated cents but the final product is an old copper cent.
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