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I have been busy buying up a bunch of coins lately which I will post separately later. However, one of these coins is a Quintillus Ae Antoninianus. I believe it to be RIC 24v, but there are two variants listed on wildwinds, one of which came from the Appleshaw Hoard. To be honest, I don't see the differences between the two. Would someone here verify my attribution as RIC 24v and either confirm or nix whether my coin is like the coin from the Appleshaw Hoard.

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I my opinion this a RIC 24 corr. var. All the examples that I have seen of this reverse type are Mars left rather then right as stated in RIC and thus the corr. Yours has a cuirassed bust whereas RIC and some other examples on Wildwinds have a draped and cuirassed bust and thus the var.

Does that make sense?
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Does that make sense?


I would like to say I understand, but I'm still confused. Let me see if I got it straight. It is RIC 24v but corrected from RIC's initial assessment? How does this compare to the Appleshaw Hoard example?

I appreciate your help and you will have to be patient with me as sometimes I can be very dense.
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 Posted 01/17/2012  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Assuming that Wildwinds is correct then your coin would be a match to Appleshaw 308.
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Assuming that Wildwinds is correct then your coin would be a match to Appleshaw 308.


Now that is clear enough for even someone like me to understand. I was leaning that way, but man, I was unsure. Thanks a ton for your help and patience.
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I do not have time to do checks on the applications you require,sorry I can't give my opinion about catalogation, however, I congratulate you because it's really nice.
Finally you also have a Quintillus without a hole:-)
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- at the risk of throwing a spanner in the works do you think your reverse legend could be 'MARTI PACIL' rather than 'MARTI PACIF'?

I think I see an 'L' at the end - that would mean we had to consider something similar but not the same as coins found in the Llanedeyrn hoard.
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I think I see an 'L' at the end - that would mean we had to consider something similar but not the same as coins found in the Llanedeyrn hoard.


Hey buddy, I haven't talked with you in a while. Regarding the "L" I think you are correct; however, I don't have any references to the Llanederyrn hoard. Are these coins covered by RIC?

Hope all is well.

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I'm with Bobby on this one, I also see what appears to be an L.
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Hey buddy, I haven't talked with you in a while


Hello mate - been a bit busy lately and needed to curtail my coin spending so not been on here as much, I bought over 100 coins in the last 3 months of 2011 and even at bargain prices it mounts up!

Must say I'm liking the way this forum has developed in the last 12 months - I remember when days used to go by without a new post and we only had about 4 regular posters in the Ancients section, now its hard to keep up with all the posts

We also have a nice ratio of beginners to experts and on coin values so we get to see a bit of everything.

I dont have much info on the Llanedeyrn hoard but it appears that there have been more than one as I have found references to I & II. Your coin is not in any of the major ref books but I did find this exact match:

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http://www.monetaromana.de/muenze193.htm
http://www.monetaromana.de


He probably had the same problem as you and just settled for RIC V part 1 25 (p241) as his attribution. Cohen lists the same (without 'X') 'MARTI PACIL' coin in Volume VI 50 (p170).

Your coin is undoubtedly an issue of the above from Rome but as far as I can tell is unlisted anywhere. I'm mot sure if 'PACIL' can be considered a blunder of if its 'correct' in Latin. I guess as not many of his coins have survived many variants are missing from the major references where Quintillus is concerned.

I guess your coin is probably best described as RIC V-1 Rome 25 corr (p241) but the full field marks for that coin have not been recorded there.
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Thanks bobbyhelmet. That's more then I had or even thought I get. I agree with you that the coin in your link is an exact match. I appreciate your help.

I too have been buying too many coins, so I am trying to weed myself off the sites for a while. However, I am working with an acquaintance in Croatia to see if we can put together a deal on bulk purchases. We'll see how that works out. So far, he has not come through as he promised.
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Finally you also have a Quintillus without a hole


Thanks Giano. I can't believe you remembered that my only Quintillus had a hole. Now I have two and only the one with the hole. I still fantasize about how that hole was put there.
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