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Pictured is a 1963-D Roosevelt dime graded by NGC. Give your best grading estimate and how you came to that conclusion.
I will post the actual NGC grade this coming Saturday. Have fun! 
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I am going with MS 67. I don't think it is a 67 myself. I would go 65 or 66, but NGC will probably call it a 67 because of the toning, which is sweet. The strike is nice on the reverse, but it is hard to grade from a pic. It almost has full bands too. Nice coin. :)
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MS66 I think the toning is hiding some incredible luster under it.
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Super nice Roosevelt. I too am torn between 66 and 67. Solid strike, looks like it has beautiful luster on the back , and the toning...I'm a sucker for toners. Think I swayed my vote. MS 67  |
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AU58 because of black stuff on coin...what do we win?
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@ Penny4Me: What you will win...... absolutely nothing, beyond bragging rights  and the satisfaction that your grading skills are on par (or better) with those doing the grading at NGC. 
This is also a learning exercise for me, to see how others approach grading a coin that is difficult to 'see.' In a weird way, it is helping me to learn as well.
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I'm not any good at grading dimes but I would like to say I LIKE IT :) I love toned coins and dont care what they look like! Nice dime!
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As promised, here is the actual grade: NGC MS66FT
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I'm glad the tpgs are getting this stuff put into plastic and away from collectors. I'd be ashamed to have that coin in my case.
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I'm glad the tpgs are getting this stuff put into plastic and away from collectors. I'd be ashamed to have that coin in my case.
I am sorry, I don't quite understand what you are saying by "getting the coins out of the hands of collectors and into slabs?" Why would you be ashamed to have this coin? 
I am not 'questioning' you biggfredd, I am just trying to learn.  |
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I sense sarcasam from biggFredd in that comment, though some people just don't like heavily toned dark coins, to each their own I suppose.
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I will not attempt to speak for biggfredd, who has been doing this professionally for 40 years. What I will do, though, is offer an opinion as to how someone might think this way:
Mercs tend to be rather strictly-graded, in keeping with what seems to me to be a pattern of "the physically-smaller the coin, the tougher the grading." That may be a generality I'm guilty of getting wrong.
But either way, MS66 is a grade at which eye appeal and strike must certainly factor in. The obverse toning on this coin deserves consideration from that standard, and given that it's a relatively-fresh slab design, it likely looked like that when it was slabbed. It's not exactly "attractive" toning. Furthermore, the striations through the color on the obverse, and the obvious polishing lines on the reverse, indicate a die of....suboptimal condition.
These two taken together ought by right to have a bearing on a coin to which you're assigning the term "Gem." I can easily see how someone experienced in this issue might believe that the maximum-possible grade for an otherwise near-pristine coin like this might be 65.
Which brings me to the third point. Given the color obstructing detail on the obverse, and the very small time window in which a grader gets to look at the coin, can we be sure that details which might lessen the grade are obscured by the toning and were overlooked?
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I'm not going to edit, but offer a second post with my own personal opinion. I didn't offer a grade here initially because I'm not comfortable with my skills on this issue yet. I'd probably have suggested 65, with a strong caveat about the obverse color getting in the way, based on the marks I see under the top torch bands and in the leaves to the left of that. Furthermore, I suspect the field area under AMERICA might be relevant if you're looking at it under a loupe.
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Looks about right for tge grade based on those I've seen. The toning I've ween on ones like that are from the coins on the end of the roll.
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