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1884-CC Morgan

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Not my coin, but fairly decent pics to grade from soooooo.........
Whatcha' guys think?
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 Posted 01/15/2007  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63. A little too much chatter on the cheek and some milk spots in the left obverse field. Beautiful strike and I really like the rose-gold toning on the obverse (or is this due to the lighting?).
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 Posted 01/15/2007  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cecoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i'll give it a grade of ms-62. looks like there is a marks on the check and there looks to be a heavy mark above the eagle reverse.
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 Posted 01/15/2007  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
63 in today's market. I have the feeling it's not as chattery as it looks, but what's there is in all the wrong places.
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quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

63 in today's market. I have the feeling it's not as chattery as it looks, but what's there is in all the wrong places.

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 Posted 01/15/2007  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, no ones got it yet. Nope. Nada.
Graded by NGC, newer holder. Common date, but still a Carson City. Any more guesses?
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Actually, I though it looked MS64, with the frosted Miss Liberty,It makes the contact marks look worse than they are.
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I am thinking it may be designated MS-64DMPL? The toning on the obverse looks like it hides it some. I almost was thinking it was a proof but don't want to go out on that limb yet.



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Hold onto your seats, folks.........
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 Posted 01/16/2007  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not in a million years would I call that coin a 66. It's nice; I'd own it proudly. However, part and parcel of accepted grading standards is that any marks on an MS66 coin not be in focal areas. I would have believed, with a sense of slight disgust, MS65. I'd have accepted MS64 as typical market grading. But 66? No. The reverse doesn't reach 66, much less the obverse.

And remember, I make no attempt to hide the fact that I market grade, and am for that reason easier on a given coin than Susan, for instance.

Nothing against you, hadleydog - your good taste and judgement stand proven here at Coin Community - but that coin does not belong in that slab, and I sincerely hope you got one of your usual "couldn't beat it at gunpoint" deals on this one.
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It's OK, SuperDave. I've not lost my mind. Completely. As I stated in the first post, I do not own this coin. I found her on the 'bay, and was shocked when I saw the grade. I wanted to use her to show that even the big boys can make a mistake, and not just a little one either.
I would grade this coin a high end 63 to low end 64, if it were an 80-s. Add the Carson City bump the graders like to hand out, and she ends up a real ms64, I'd say a gift at 65. The ms66 grade is simply absurd.

Hey, I think you all nailed the grade on this one. Moral of the story? Trust yourself to judge a coin instead of relying on the insert and the holder.
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Ah. I missed the "not my coin" part. I was worried for you there, for a minute.
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 Posted 01/17/2007  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW!!!!

MS66 is totally out of line for this coin! I wonder who submitted it for grading. I know the TPG's say it doesn't matter who submits the coins and that the graders aren't told where they came from, but my experience says otherwise. I think this coin must have been submitted by one of the "big boys" and got a couple points bumped for that.

This is a prime example of the codicil, "Buy the coin, not the plastic."
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