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Real Capped Bust Half Or Not?

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 Posted 01/19/2012  10:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am looking at buying this coin but I feel it may be fake. I am very much an amature, but if the images and info in the Red Book are right then I think the reverse is not correct for this date. Any opinions? Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1834-Capped...em3a6c5954a5
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 Posted 01/19/2012  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your RedBook must have a printing error, that reverse was used through 1836 and then changed with the introduction of the collar-struck reeded edge design.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. I may have just been reading it wrong. The placement of the banner under the word STATES looks different in the examples shown in the book but I guess that is just showing different variants. If that coin and price looks good I plan on buying it. Thanks for the help.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks good to me. Nice toning on an AU-53 coin!
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 Posted 01/19/2012  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome, thanks everyone. I just bought it.

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I'm torn on this one.

The attribution, O-111, looks correct, making it R.1. The price is AU55 money, and I don't think the coin makes AU55. AU50 maybe. Either way, the additional cost of slabbing would have to be figured in to achieving that value.

The color is wonderful, and would probably add at least a grade's worth of value. But is it real? Don't know. The spectrum is correct, right colors in right places, and I've seen Busties with this coloring. RICA bothers me a bit, though.

Most troublesome is the marks on the jaw. I'm forced to suspect that this would keep it out of a righteous slab.

In truth, I have to advise a pass on this one. $325 is a lot of coin for a Bust Half, and I think you could do better for that money. It's a risk at best.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I got 7 days to return it. I will weigh it and measure it when it gets in. The toning is really what I was after. As for slabbing it, I do not plan on having it graded at all. I like raw coins and that is all I want.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think there's a question about whether it's genuine, just whether the toning is natural and the marks on the jaw disqualify it.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh ok. I am still new to this all, sorry. I just want to buy good coins and build my collection right.
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I agree as well that the toning seems funky to me and the marks on the jaw look like some porosity to me. As for the toning, it looks like it may have been dipped a while ago and retoned, the less toned surfaces look too bright to me, although it could just be the picture.
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What do you feel is wrong with the reverse? It went for too much, IMO.
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IMHO, that's a hefty price for this coin. The toning looks artificial, and I doubt that it could be certified as such. The important thing though is that the buyer likes it, and it is a pleasing type coin. Enjoy!
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The coin looks genuine to me but it is the toning that I am unsure about. It sort of has that circus colors look to it.
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DM1975,

It looks pretty with the different tones and if it has real eye appeal to you when you get it keep it. As a note I think you paid quite a premium for the look and I feel with more patience you could get a better example for a much better price.
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Well live and learn I guess. I'll get good pictures and scans of it when it comes in an post them. If it isn't worth it the. I will send it back.
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DM1975,
Don't be too bummed out if you have to send it back. I've learned there are always more options on the horizon and with patience, nice pickups can be had for good prices. If you just love it, keep it. At least you'll know you paid a bit of a premium, but everybody does now and then for something that they just plain like or have been searching a long time for. I just wish I had joined this forum for advice similar to what you received before I paid double what a 20 cent piece that was polished and worth probably half what I paid. Good luck building your collection. Bust halves are the favorites of many. You picked a great type.
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