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Real Capped Bust Half Or Not?

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 Posted 01/19/2012  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check out and compare this bust half (IMHO a beauty):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/28078314793...ht_703wt_952

They don't get much closer to UNC than this, and it's a scarcer variety, too. In your eyes, how does it compare to the one purchased?
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 Posted 01/19/2012  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Honestly I am not sure I like it any better at all. It is a nice looking cleaned coin but if the one I bought looks like I think it will when I get it then I am happy with it. I am new to coins but I have been a photographer for a long time and am pretty good at figuring out what something is going to look like in hand.

After reviewing hundreds of photos of toned silver dollars today and reading the section relating to this coin in the ANA Grading Standards book I now feel better about this purchase, and if I am wrong about the overall eye appeal of this coin then I can send it back, but a toned coin is what I am looking for in a bust half dollar and if that tone and luster turns out right then the premium I payed is ok with me.

Can anyone give me pointers on why the toning on this coin may be unoriginal? I really would love to get the most information I can on this subject. Thanks.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe a small explanation of what I am looking for will help a bit. I am interested in putting together a set that loosly resembles the King of Siam proof set that was featured in Coins Magazines article on the 1804 silver dollar.

I really like the look of the coins in that set and while I know a couple (mainly the 1804) are unobtainable I very much like the look of the coins in the set and also the toned coin on the cover. Just something I want.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1934 small date and letters PCGS genuine due to a minor staple scratch, ebay purchased for $185.

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It does not have the electric colors but the strike on the reverse is eye popping. If the toning is why you purchased it great, I hope it continues to please you as this one does me.
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 Posted 01/19/2012  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's nice, I like it. I probably (did) over pay but I wanted it. I hope it does pass inspection here as having original toning. I am sure as I mature in the hobby I will make more mistakes, but if this is original coloring then I do not feel this has been a mistake. Maybe I am wrong and if so then I will have one heck of a good anecdote for some other new collector to ignore later on in life.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DM,
You're on your way in one important respect...if you like it and it's in your budget, nothing anybody else says matters. Somewhere, there is somebody who would pay $400+ for that coin. Others wouldn't go half that. If you like toning, I think you'll be faced with this dilemma many times. Do you perhaps pay more than what some database or person thinks you should for a coin you really like, or do you pass and wait a day or a month or a year or more until something better comes along? Always your call. If I were you, I'd really be looking forward to that arriving. Hope it works out for you.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. I do hope the toning is real on it. I have been trying to read up on toning and artificial toning to try and get some tips, plus I have a local club that I am a member of I can go to for help in deciding if it is original or not.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I heartily agree with OneBowl. It's your call, DM1975. The subject coin certainly fits your criteria.

Personally, I much prefer Muddler's coin, and I expect that a vast majority of this site's collectors would feel likewise; this, even if the cost was not a factor. The subject coin has problems in the sweet spot, central obverse, and there are a few fingerprints on the periphery. Regarding the shimmering toning, note that the white areas appear to lack that shimmer, they're a flat, matte white. This contrast is stark and makes me suspect that the toning is artificial and the coin was wiped in areas that the color was too deep. That said, pics can be deceiving ...

When you have the coin in hand, hold it to the light and see how the light "dances" on the surface. If it looks nice to your eye, it's a keeper. Just remember that when the time comes for you to part with it, potential buyers will scrutinize the coin. Advanced collectors tend to think about future "exit strategy."
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 Posted 01/20/2012  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine for sure, with pretty colors, suspect originality (would not slab problem-free, IMO), and a premium price. Gradewise it's solid for EF-45, iffy for AU-50. If it meets your expectations at a satisfactory cost then just ignore all us naysayers and keep building that King of Siam tribute set. Please keep sharing your pieces as you acquire them!
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 Posted 01/20/2012  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. I will get some better photos up when I get it to see what you all think about it. I am not saying the other coin is not nice, it is just not what I was looking for right now. As for exit strategies, I understand that it probably will be hard to part with, but I don't tend to part with much of what I collect. If the concensus here is that this coin is bad then I will send it back. The return policy is for seven days and I would be out a total of about ten bucks for shipping if I do send it back. This was the only bust half I could find with the look I wanted though. I am sure eventually another one will show up, and probably even a better one. Like I said though, live and learn. I will just be wiser next time if anything.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing about collecting, you can always add more to the collection and if it's a lifetime obsession (like me) there is always another coin you will need..
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 Posted 01/20/2012  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
1934 small date and letters PCGS genuine due to a minor staple scratch,


They got the date wrong.
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 Posted 01/20/2012  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seateddime48174 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
keep in mind DM, the banner on the reverse of the bust half was punched into every individual die by hand, and thus the location will vary from die to die, actually, the stars were hand punched, the lettering United states of americA was on a ring punch I believe, the 50 C was hand punched, so all of that will vary from die to die.
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 Posted 01/21/2012  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I do have a lot to learn but I'm getting there. I just ordered the Coin Collectors Survival Guide so I hope that helps me out some.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just got it in. I have to process photos but I took one through my loup with my iPhone of the cheek area. Appears to be light bag marks maybe? No more really than is on the above photographed coins neck area. The black in the ebay image was just shadowing from the flash. Here is a photo of it. I will get the good ones processed tonight and post them to see what you all think about it.

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