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 Posted 01/22/2012  01:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cwalker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I just had a moment a few minutes ago. I started collecting silver about 6 months ago so I'm still reletivly new to all of this. I originally was buying nothing but silver maples cause I was drawn to there purity and the ease of access(coin dealer). I soon got fed up paying a ridiculous premium at the coin shop and turned to ebay. Got interested in junk silver as my main forum of investment and kinda forgot about the maples. I'm not big time by any means(budget issues), prolly 25oz total.

I have a hard time parting with my money and I'm wondering which is a better investment. "Junk Silver" or bullion.

Is it worth it in the long run to pay the premiums on maples...or am I better off to be buying a few junk coins for as close to spot as I can find.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are on a budget, just get Junk Silver. You are not paying premiums (Sometimes you can get Junk Silver under melt) and the money that you would have spent for the premium on Silver Maples will just get you more silver.

So buying junk silver over Silver maples, is like getting free silver because of the money you are saving. In the end, silver is silver no matter what form it is in.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are into junk silver, you never know, you may get bitten by the coin collecting bug.

Next thing you know, you may find yourself building date or type sets!

That is how my collecting interests devolved into collecting and studying ancients!
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 Posted 01/22/2012  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't forget that in 1997 they only minted 100k of silver maples and I guess you could call it a key date for the series. Junk silver will rise/fall with the market. So it will depend if you are an investor or a coin collector.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 2011 wolf series brings $59.29 now, the 2011 grizzly brings $42.79 each, and the 2012 cougar is listed at $36.65 over at Provident metals....

Do you see a an increase pattern for value here in a short period of time? Makes me think the Cougar is the NEXT fast double your money investment coin by 2013, 2014 or so for Canadian silver rounds....
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 Posted 01/22/2012  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Funny Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sel may be right...what if your junk silver contained some dateless 1916 standing liberty or some ragged 16 d mercury? That's always a nice possibility...
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 Posted 01/22/2012  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would buy both. they are all desirable and should be able to resell fairly easily.

I have bars, ASE, some good coins, junk. I get into buying moods every couple months, and depending on my mood will change what I want!
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 Posted 01/22/2012  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, cwalker!

Buy what you enjoy. Canadian 80% is easy to calculate. $1 = 0.6 tr oz.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't get hung up to much on just the premium. There is a second part to this and that is how well the premium holds when you sell.

Let me try to explain this with more detail.

The Silver spot price is at $32.13.

You buy a ASE for $36.75 which has a premium of $4.62

You sell the ASE for $33.86 the same day the coin has held its value a little over spot thus the true premium was $2.89.

Notice the buy back value was still $1.73 over spot.

To make an actual profit your ASE spot price would only have to go up $1.74.

What I am trying to tell you the premium is only part of the picture, the other half is how well it holds it premium.

Normally but not always silver bullion coins will hold their premiums better than rounds or bars.

When selling if the dealer does not want to hold the premium then walk and find a buyer that does. They are really easy to find and if you have a large amount of silver the online dealers are competitive.

Small shops with employees have other cost and may not offer the best sell price however don't discount the valuable service they can offer. Believe me at times this is very important.

I have always speculated in the silver that has the potential to hold their premiums. That has been silver bullion coins.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwalker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I should have put this in the first post...im collecting silver as a means to protect myself in a S*** hits the fan type a deal. Back to buyin stuff with gold and silver kinda thing. I'm not 100% shure this is gonna happen but if it does id like to have a bit of "cash" lying around just in case. I should add I'm definatly not the guy who has 15yrs of food in his bombshelter burried in the back yard....not even close. Aside from a bit of silver, and what food I have in my fridge the day the SHTF....ima prolly screwed lol.

Some people say junk silver is recognizable by all and will be the easiest to deal with, other say well it doesent accually say anywere on it what's in it (ie, 1 troy oz fine silver .9999) so no one will recognize its value and will be worthless.

So I'm looking at it that was AS WELL as if none of this happens which is goin to give me a better return on my invetment. I know silver is silver, but when the time comes to sell, will 100 oz of maples vs 100 oz of junksilver goin to give me the same return on investment?

Say silver is $50oz and I pay 60 for a maple..10%priemum.. now silver goes up to 500 oz...when I sell would I sell for $510(the 10 over spot I paid earlier) or do I sell for %550 (10% priemum?) Casue to me if the ladder is the case....maples are goin to be a better return on my investment right?
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 Posted 01/22/2012  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloBonehead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Premium on an ounce of silver should stay in a steady $3 or less range, at least for the time being. If you are paying $10 over and expecting to get that same $10 over you are mistaken. If you are buying at a more reasonable premium and expecting to get the same back then you are on the right page.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the crap hits the fan what are you going to buy and who will be selling it? Stores would be out of products and the rest would be ransacked. Thus you are dealing with people like me and I'm not sure if I want either gold or silver.

Now if the banks were to close and we would have a short time problem again what are people going to give you for you PM's? If they don't have money not much they can give you.

If inflation happens then I really do believe PM's are a strong bonus.

I'm really not sold as PM's being that great in a real serious crap hits the fan problem.

BTW if you are good at looking for deals 90% can be bought cheap. There is nothing wrong with them either or any other type of PM's.
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 Posted 01/22/2012  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think for your reasoning the 90percent are best. They are less than an oz, easily recognized and just what I feel is best. Yes I think of in the worst case just what might I buy but I think that once things settle the 90percent as well as any other silver btw will be used. The fact that 90percent costs less and are smaller silver amt just makes them more desirable. Just my thoughts of course
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 Posted 01/22/2012  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EarlB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm into "junk" silver for the reasons you indicate. The scenario I want to be ready for is not a complete collapse but one in which hyper-inflation has kicked in and people once again take silver as an alternative form of payment versus the devalued paper money. For instance, during the gas shortages of 1973 some gas stations would sell you a gallon of gas with no wait for a silver dime while others with their money had to wait in line.

Also, most people (including me) live by their ATM cards. They don't carry cash anymore. If the banks were to fail, yes there would be a run on the stores for goods but if people can't use their ATM cards people may still take pre-64 silver.

Perhaps I read too much Rawles fiction but then that's what got me going down the road I'm on. Besides, the path I've always taken is I'm a collector/accumulator (whether it is militaria, guns, ammo, etc.). As needed, I sell some of that to pay for things th family needs or for big events (car purchase, loss of job, relocation - just a few that have happened). My thoughts are if I build a big enough stash I can both have some for inflation hedge, monetary scenrios if needed, and to sell when needed. And if the price of silver would for whatever reason tank, big deal. $5 an ounce silver would just allow me to aquire more of it alot quicker (of course with my way of thinking the likleyhood of that happening is nill).

Of course it doesn't help that I have an addictive personality. I thought when I started I'd shoot for aquiring a pound a month. Well, I only started the first of the month and I already have about 70 Troy ounces...I have a problem...

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 Posted 01/22/2012  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RUDYRSI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're patient, you can sometimes buy proof sets for the same premium as you would pay for bullion coins. I think it's a little bit of a hedge against a decline in silver price and it's better than junk silver
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 Posted 01/22/2012  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did do just that during the summer when silver was higher and the silver content was about what I would pay for junk. Felt exactly how you state. The Only drawback is that most anyone knows that pre 1965 is 90percent. The current silver have current dates (basically for the worst case scenario where all silver would basically value equally)
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