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Cleaned Silver Coins Question

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 Posted 01/23/2012  10:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Snapper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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I was recently going through some of the silver halfs which I have grabbed over the past year or so from searching. In the mix are a few quite nice looking Walkers and Franklins. Walkers in particular.

I've read some of what's out there in terms of identifying cleaned coins (rainbow lines on the fields...etc) but I really want to gain more confidence in this area.

The one and only time I brought one of the nicer Walkers to a dealer at a show for his jusdgement on value he looked at it for like all of two seconds and said 'cleanned' and when I asked how he could tell so quickly he pretty much brushed me off with a few comments about how long he has been doing this and that silver naturally tones over time and anything from circulation should show that toning.

I suspect he may have been right on that one coin but I'd like to have more confidence in identifying this for myself since I have a few older halves that look pretty decent. Mostly all pulled from searching boxes of halves.

So I ask, can it be pretty much just be assumed that any nice looking (i.e. shiny) Walker pulled from a box is very likely cleaned? I felt there's at least some chance that such a coin could have been sitting in a drawer somewhere and not necessarily have all the damage and dirt from circulation. Though the dealers comment about silver toning is a good point. So is it naive to think that my shiny Walker from the '30s was not cleaned? And is there a fail safe way to determine a cleaned silver coin? The 'rainbow' lines just seems to subtle for me. Thanks for any thoughts.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen lots of gray looking walkers pictured here in the CCF and some really white ones. The top grade coins more often appear white.

I seems to me that the dealer you spoke to just saw your coin was quite white and just quickly assumed that any patination had been removed, especially if there little luster to be seen as well.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your dealer was spot on, although a bit flippant about it. It does take some time/experience to get the hang of it. When the blank planchet is smashed between the obverse and reverse dies it does some interesting things to the metal. Particularly with silver there is a cartwheel effect as the metal is pushed outward. The pressure also imparts "luster" or frost to the surfaces (fields and devices). As the coin is circulated there is a "natural" removal of the luster. Your dealer learned through experience what is natural and what is unnatural. Manual attempts to remove contaminants and tarnish will create an unnatural appearance ... and confirm cleaning. Here's a recap of these manual improvement techniques the the subsequent results:
- Dipping in solvents (i.e. jewelry cleaner)- If done just a few times, it's very hard to tell, but frequent dippings will remove the surface layer of metal (luster) and the coin will look like there is no contact wear, but it is dull and lifeless, no luster or cartwheel.
- Abrasion - The most common and most destructive form of cleaning. There are many ways to do this ... wiping, brushing, grinding wheel (extreme). Telltale marks appear predominantly in the fields and usually are in a circular pattern. Wire brushing is normally straight-line.
- Tooling (not actually cleaning, but the end state is the same)- An attempt to restore detail to the devices using an engraving tool. This is hard to ascertain without experience and magnification. Look for details on devices that aren't consistent with overall wear.

What to look for:
Uncirculated coins - Undisturbed luster in the fields and high points of the design. The high points are the first to show "rub" and/or wear; cartwheel effect; a dull-looking coin has likely been over-dipped.
Circulated coins - Hairlines, hazing around devices (inability of person cleaning the coin to completely remove undesirable surface material. They are unable to get it off around the devices, i.e., lettering, hair folds, etc., but the fields appear much better).

The best way to learn is to see examples. Perhaps we should start a "sticky" about coin cleaning with photographic examples.
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