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 Posted 01/23/2012  8:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently got a copy of The New Zealand Coin and Banknote Catalogue 2007 by Howard Mitchell, and having a read through it lists a number of varieties e.g. strapless halfpenny/penny/threepence/sixpence, one dot threepence, broken wing sixpence, broken back shilling, flat back florin, no sea 5c, wart on nose 5c etc
It doesn't have any explanations or images though. Is there any other book/website that has images and will tell me whether these varieties are intentional or are just caused by die damage or that sort of thing? I found a thread here referring to a book published in 1971 but something more updated would be better.
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 Posted 01/23/2012  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Google is a fine place to look for images. The one dot threepence (supposed to have two, one on each side of the date), broken wing ( Grease Filled Die giving blurred look), and broken back (the warrior image has a gap) are all a few clicks away.
I've found a new site to try out looking things up tonight: http://www.trademe.co.nz/
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 Posted 01/23/2012  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I hadn't seen that site before.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mr T: As you probably know, the designs for the Gillick busts for Elizabeth 11 were re mastered, sometime in 1954. The '53, '54, '55 and a few '56 pennies exhibit a very indistinct shoulder strap. Elizabeth, when sitting for the coinage bust was no doubt wearing a strap but it was under her blouse, which is not obvious to see anyway, suggesting that Her Majesty was bare shouldered.

If you look at the bodice (chest) area of the bust, there is a light fold of material to be seen on the original bust. This can be readily seen on business strikes of the '53, '54 '55 and a few of the '56 penny issue, which came off the first master die. So she did actually have a shoulder strap; it is just very dificult or next to impossible to find.

I have a proof '53 half crown which also exhibits this lack of obvious detail in the area of the shoulder strap.

There were several other problems that the first master also had, which includes indistinct detail around H.H.the Q's ear.

Most Commonwealth countries did not use the master die after 1954 and even fewer in 1955. The New Zealand penny used the first master die for a few coins into 1956, after which the second master die was used.

The second master die addressed the problems of indistinctness, and so the shoulder strap area was re cut as well as in the area of the ear.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had no idea sel. Thanks for the information. So the strapless varieties actually do have a faint strap, but the strapped varieties have an obvious strap? Also, where did you get your information about the remastering of the die?
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 Posted 01/24/2012  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mt T: I remember reading a good article relevent to this thread in the
Australiasian Coin and Banknote Magazine
some time ago, but I was aware of the basic facts before then.

The original dies were mastered and re mastered by the British Royal Mint for British coins, and all British Commonwealth Countries that required them.

I think that New Zealland was the last country to use the new re mastered dies, and that change happened early in 1956. That is why the '56 strapless penny is scarce. For most countries that change happened in 1954. The obverse legend did not have to be changed as in most other commonwealth Countries, where "F.D." was added, for coinages other than N.Z.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again sel. I'll keep my eyes out that article in any back issues I come across.
Anyone know of any other books which catalogue New Zealand's coins?
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 Posted 07/02/2013  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mr T. I don't own this book yet, but try 'The John Bertrand New Zealand coin & banknote catalouge" 2013 edition by Anthony W. Grant... It looks (from the little I have seen of it) to be rather detailed.

Also, try Google for the following New Zealand varieties ...

1945 Penny burnished
1956 Penny strapless
1965 Penny (normally only issued in sets)
1942 Threepence with only one dot beside the date
1956 Threepence strapless
1955 Threepence With 2 dots on the Queen's shoulder
1957 Sixpence Strapless
1965 Sixpence broken wing
1942 Shilling Broken back
1958 Shilling Broken back
1962 Shilling No horizon
1965 Shilling Broken back
1946 Florin Flat back
1950 Halfcrown High far diamond type 2
1965 Halfcrown (Normally only issued in sets)
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07/02/2013 10:56 am
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 Posted 07/02/2013  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mr T,
If possible, could you please provide me with a list of New Zealand decimal currency mint errors? I know nothing about the two 5c coins you mentioned up top... no sea 5c, wart on nose 5c ?
I only normally look into the per-decimal side of things, but you have sparked my interest! I will Google, but I am keen to know what the 'etc' you mention are! please and thank you :)
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 Posted 07/03/2013  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I'll probably check out the latest catalogue as I read that there are pictures of some of these varieties.
I'm busy at the moment so I'll post more details later but I think the no sea 5c has the ocean to the right of the tuatara missing and the wart nose is a visible bump on the Queen's nose.
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 Posted 07/09/2013  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks, Mr T, I have researched the two you mentioned and found pictures online. I am compiling my own list (with my own words as to what I should look for) so any help is greatly appreciated. I don't have the book I mentioned, yet. I prefer, at this stage, my own lingo..
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 Posted 07/09/2013  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I checked my book and the no sea 5c is for 1967, the wart on the nose 5c is 1999 and some 1967 50c pieces have a dot over the 1 too.
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 Posted 07/13/2013  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome.. Thanks, mate.. I will add that to my list :) I just purchased a 1969 NZ 50 cent coin UNC with Cook Bicentenary 1769-1969 Inscribed on the edge of it. Unsure of the number that were minted like this and it hasn't arrived yet (on its way from Nelson) but I am looking forward to seeing it and researching the specs. Another one for you to keep your eyes out for if NZ varieties intrest you like they do me! thanks for your help, Mr T, very much appreciated :)
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 Posted 07/13/2013  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No worries.

I've read about an inscribed edge 50c in the guide book (mintage 100,000?) but there weren't any other details (like what the inscription even was) so I didn't give it any attention.
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 Posted 07/13/2013  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're a good man! I will note that with the coin when I get it. I will read the inscription when it arrives and post the exact words.. Thanks :)
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 Posted 07/16/2013  05:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike Jack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mr T, point of interest.. I was in Dunedin Stamp Centre yesterday, they have a NZ $2 'kingfisher' coin for sale for $15. Apparently 1993 was the only year NZ changed the design of our $2 coin. You have probably already read about this, but just in-case this is new info for you I thought it might be worth posting.
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