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Need Assistance Attributing An 1881 O

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 Posted 02/01/2012  5:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TMR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have an 1881 O and I just can't seem to pinpoint the VAM.

See many pics below. Although I tried to capture in the pics as best as possible, when I look at the coin in hand I see:

Doubling of LIBERTY on more than one side
Many letters are doubled on more than one side
Date has some slight doubling
Mint mark doubled on both inside edges
Ear has slight doubling inside and outside
Motto is at least doubled
Small die crack at cap towards rim
Possible clash on the reverse


I appreciate the assistance and suggestions.


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 Posted 02/03/2012  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lets have a close up on the date. one must remember Date position and Mint Mark position are the basic avenues to start from...From the mint mark alone I would see 6,6A and 22, and not discounting the possible double ear...lets start from the basics...
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 Posted 02/03/2012  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TMR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully the two pics below provide the date location and the MM location - which looks to be slightly left and tilted slightly left.

I have bounced around between VAM 6A, 36, and 30

A VAM 27 would require the MM to be centered and upright which doesn't seem to be the case.

I think the Machine Doubling is throwing me off.

I appreciate the suggestions and feedback.

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 Posted 02/03/2012  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Forgive me for not posting earlier; I've been over this coin for two days now.
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SuperDave,
I had to laugh at your post, as I to have myself off and on for a week. I finally said to myself "I need some help".

I know the MM placement is the key first step. If I look at the VAMs for left placement titled left, I don't quite see a match.

At the moment, I don't think it is an O / O. The only thing "unique" about the MM is it seems to be doubled on both inside edges but I don't see signs of die chips etc. from a first O.

As you can see in some of the pics, the letters are doubled on two sides. I haven't determined if that is an important diagnostic - but it doesn't seem to be mentioned.

I went ahead and posted additional and better quality pics on the SkyDrive - some of which are already on this thread but may have details removed by the image optimizer.

I guess it is my OCD that wants me to find the answer as I don't expect knowing the VAM will greatly impact the value - it is simply the desire to know and mark it on my list.

By the way, I did post the same topic on the VAM World message board and they had a few suggestions but not a definitive attribution.

Additional pics:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir.asp...JutV4s90w2qo
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I took another look at the date using a very angled light source from the right and the results are below.

This looks like the date in the VAM 22 with the die chip in the inside top left, upper loop of the first eight.

As for the notch in the top right of the first 1 reported as a diagnostic, is it possible that the Machine Doubling eliminated this feature?

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