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Quote:I dont think you should paint every seller on ebay with one brush,Ive dealt with many honest people on ebay,including some of the members here! Don't mind Carl, he thinks everyone's out to get him. I agree, 99% of ebay sales go perfectly for me, on the buying and selling side. |
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The 1884 is sometimes more baggy with gouges and scrapes that you don't see on other P mint coins. Also, the coins can get cockeyed in the NGC holders, I have a few that are. The sealing marks on the edges sometimes look like the holder has been tampered with. The coin you show looks like a MS63. You may have to buy a 1884 in MS64 or higher to get a real "nice looker". Good luck!
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I have seen the No Returns on Certified coins before. Raw coins have return privledges. Never really understood that, The whole idea behind TPG is that the coin has been certified by an expert, so that it can be traded sight unseen. If the buyer has a problem with the coin, he should take it up with the TPG, not the seller. In effect the parties agreed to binding arbitration, but now the buyer doesn't want to honor the ruling. That's the logic behind "no returns on slobbed coins". |
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If the seller provides photos, he obligated to show accurate ones. This photo was altered and the seller IS to blame.
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If pix override the TPG, then what's the point of TPG? |
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I agree with BigFred and his statement it is quite true. Also as I stated above an 1884 in MS63 is by no means a real beauty. Generally it's scraped up a bit with some general flatness and in MS63 not maybe as lustrous as one would desire. As to the photograph it could have very well been unitentional and the marks just did not show.
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If we speak on the phone and I tell you the coin is a bright white PCGS MS63, then you get it with 2 black marks on it, who's fault is it your not satisfied with your purchase? Mine or the TPG's? Lying with my piehole is no different than lying with doctored photos. |
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We have all seen coins that we believe to be mis-graded by a TPG, and sometimes they are. Even though we'd all like to believe that every MS-63 is fungible with every other MS-63, it is a fantasy. Pictures DO mean something, even for the slabbed coins. That's why we buy the coin, not the slab. |
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I am by no means a coin expert, but I would be leary of this guys feedback. I started on ebay in 1998, back when you could get a negative feedback for not paying for an auction, but that has all changed. You have to really be a bit of a slime ball to receive six negatives out of 93 auctions. |
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scubu- The question becomes "should a coin with two black marks be rated 63"? The problem is that tpgs don't solve any grading problems, which is why I believe in tpa, not TPG. |
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You have to really be a bit of a slime ball to receive six negatives out of 93 auctions. Yes and no. Buyers can't be negged no matter what, so they're free to do anything they want now. |
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Thanks Bad Thad, My wife tells me I am wrong all the time and I have refused to believe her for years, guess I had better re-evaluate my lot in life...  |
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Given the images presented here, I have no trouble at all believing this is an MS63 Morgan, and almost certainly the original coin in that slab. Further, scubu's analysis proves to me without a doubt that the image was doctored to hide the black mark. To qualify this judgment, here's one I did a few years back to illustrate what can be done to a photo:   That was ten minutes' work, as quickly as I could do it. To the trained eye, it's obvious, but on ebay there are few trained eyes. |
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It's easy to edit a picture, but it's so much easier to just sell the coin as is.
But, some people dont think like that.
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To qualify this judgment, here's one I did a few years back to illustrate what can be done to a photo: One of my favorite Clewless Gnubee™ comments is "you can read everything on it". Sure, and if I erased every second sentence in a book, you could read everything that's left. |
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