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I have a couple questions on proof coins. First off, I've noticed that my Franklin's and Washington's from the 60's have the mirror finish all over the coin, and the newer proofs have a frosted look over the faces and other parts of the coin. Why is that and when did they change that? My other question is for albums, is it OK to put proof coins in them? Like does it make sense for my 1963 spot in my Franklin album to put a proof coin in there?
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 Posted 02/04/2012  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ContraJame to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Jefferson nickel album has spots specifically (including a label) for proofs. I'd imagine you'd have to be extremely careful placing them in the album but beyond that why not?
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I put proofs in all my Albums. Never had a problem doing that.
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First off, I've noticed that my Franklin's and Washington's from the 60's have the mirror finish all over the coin, and the newer proofs have a frosted look over the faces and other parts of the coin. Why is that and when did they change that?

Those 1960's proofs are what are called Brilliant proofs. Back then no special attempt was made to frost or etch the devices. The fields of the new proof dies would be polished and that would create a contrast between the devices and the fields. this contrast was usually not very strong. As the dies were used the movement of the metal would polish the devices and the contrast would rapidly disappear. The proof dies were also used for a longer period back then and as the field would start showing wear the dies would be polished one or even more times. The resulting effect was a brilliant finish over the entire coin with no contrast between the devices and the fields.

In the early 70's they started replacing the dies more often so a greater percentage of the proof coins were found with the cameo contrast between the fields and the devices. Collectors responded favorably to theis and themint responded with even shorter die runs and and began taking steps to actually frost or etch the devices to create an even stronger contrast. the break point seems to be with the 1973 sets. Before 1970 cameos were the exception. From 70 to 72 cameos were much more common. After 1973 it became unusual to find a proof coin that was NOT a cameo, but the strength of the cameo varied. As the years progresses the typical proof coin tended to be a stronger and stronger cameo. After the mid 80's a proof coin that is not a ultra cameo is becoming unusual and a proof die now is used for only about 3,000 strikes or less. Sometimes considerably less. And as a rule the dies are no longer repolished. Once the field starts to show wear the die is retired.
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But you have to admire a cameo proof Franklin!

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I recently got a Dansco album for half dollars. I was worried about putting proof coins in it at first so I posted here asking about it. Most people said it was okay. First I cleaned the table and put down a soft cloth incase there were any mishaps. Then I got a can of compressed air and blasted it in the holes to keep all the dust out. Then I used cotton to carefully move the proof coin to the album. I only held it by the edges. Then I very carefully pressed the coin into the hole. Then gave it another blast of air to make sure no extra dust happened to sneak in during the transfer process. They look good in the Danso! Just don't touch them with your fingers and it should be fine.
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I wasn't worried about actually putting proof coins in an album. The question I had is like in my spot for my 1963 Franklin half, is it OK to put a proof in there instead of a regular business strike coin? I know my Jefferson album has a place for proofs but the Franklin and Washington albums don't for the early years. The main thing is if I ever went to sell it as a complete set would someone have a problem with it having some proof coins in those spots?
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In my opinion a proof is fine to put in a space for that dates. I have one proof in my Franklin album and several in my Washington quarter album.
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I wasn't worried about actually putting proof coins in an album. The question I had is like in my spot for my 1963 Franklin half, is it OK to put a proof in there instead of a regular business strike coin? I know my Jefferson album has a place for proofs but the Franklin and Washington albums don't for the early years. The main thing is if I ever went to sell it as a complete set would someone have a problem with it having some proof coins in those spots?

I know exactly what you mean. A similar example is with Lincoln Cents. In most Albums, at least the ones I use, they don't have slots for Proofs like 1961 but do for a normal coin. And so many like that where a Proof and regular coin was Minted. Then in 75 there were slots for the proofs since there were proof only coins minted. At one time I started to replace all the 50's, 60's, etc with Proofs where Proofs were available. However, several collecgtors I know well sort of said it sort of makes that set unreal. By that they ment I'm not putting coins required by the manufacturer in those places. Not that it is wrong since in coin collecting not much is wrong. Just not a circulated set now. So I went back and followed their suggestions and put Uncirculated coins in those places. Not as pretty but I agree it does make more CENTS to make the Album the way it was intended to be for me at least.
Since the Albums are yours and you should really do what you like or want, just sit back and say to yourself, do you like it like this or not? Remember your making that Album for YOU. It's what you think that is important.
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It is your personal preference, since it is your collection, so you can do whatever you want.

I personally would never do it, since it requires too much handling. I prefer to keep the proofs in a set and admired together for a single year rather than a single denomination.
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Putting proof coins in albums is fine, as long as you use proper care when transferring them. I've got proofs that have been sitting in albums for over 15 years and still look fine. But, proper care is essential.
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All of my proofs, with a few exceptions, are in my Dansco albums. I have no complaints, but will admit that it may not be for everyone.
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Don't currently own any proofs but just today I did rip open a sealed set of Bicentennial silver UNC's to put into my type album. I just hate to see coins trapped in a package or a slab like that. I like to think that I just liberated them!
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The only problem with mixing proofs in an album is if a buyer checks the wholesale value, it only has regular sets and sets with proofs, so you might not get the proof values for the non "proof-only" coins.
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