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 Posted 02/07/2012  04:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ausjack to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is just a hypothetical question as I don't have a coin in mind but I've seen post/comments here and there about coins having 2 grades..one side is a g and the other vf or what ever the case may be. So my main question is what side do you grade for value on these coins. Do you take the better side grade but then devalue it due to the lesser grade side or do you do the lesser but then value it a little higher due to the better side. I know this might come under the depends on the people and have to see the coin type thing but any help would be appreciated, Thanks.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All coins should ge graded for both sides. If the grading for both is the same, a single grading is nominated. If the sides grade differently, they are nominated obv., then rev., by convention.

If different grades, different opinions value wise, can and do arise:
Some value as per the lowest graded side,
Some value as per an averarge of the grades.

I guess THAT depends if you are a buyer or seller!
It then (as usual), comes down to negotiation between the buyer and seller.

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 Posted 02/07/2012  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear Ausjack,
I can only speak of those coins which are known to me. My favorite series, the Barber dimes, quarters and halves, are well known to wear more quickly on the reverse. Additionally, these coins are known to exhibit uneven and/or weak strikes on one or both sides.
In the days before third party grading such coins were give what was called a "split grade." A G/AG grade would describe an obverse which exhibited all of the attributes of a good: a full rim with all of the letters around the edge clear. The reverse, on the other hand, showed a weak rim and wear into the letters.
In the higher grades, wear is less a problem but the strike is more so. A very fine reverse with an obverse that exhibits a weakness in the design can hardly be downgraded to less than a very fine. But it is a factor.
In practice, and only speaking for myself, I would describe the first example as:
"Good, with typical wear on the reverse.
and the second example as:
"Very Fine, obverse weakly struck."

As for value, the two examples would be fair market value.
However, a "full" good on the reverse and a very fine "with the obverse having an unusually strong strike" would deserve a premium.

People who collect a series and study it are willing to pay a premium for those "atypical" coins which, while sharing the same grade as their typical brethren, "command" a
price above what the price guides say.

Again, for myself, I recently paid USD 358 for a coin which was listed in the trade newsletter at USD 200. Allowing the dealer a very generous markup would put the coin at USD 260 to USD 280.
The bidding on this example was strong!

Not only was the grade accurate, but the strike was strong.
And beyond that, the coin is just not to be found without a very long search.



I share your frustration and confusion. Good luck.


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 Posted 02/07/2012  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Split grading" isn't talked about as much as it used to be. The American TPG companies don't believe in it.

Back when it was popular, grading the obverse (however that was defined for the coin series in question) was usually regarded as more important: it was named first (a "G/VG" grade would have a Good obverse and Very Good reverse) and, if a combined or averaged grade was required, the obverse contributed 70 to 80 percent of the net grade (thus, a G/VG coin would downgrade to a net Good).
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 Posted 02/07/2012  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Old school grading said a coin can't be considered to be higher than the worse side (chain is strong as the weakest link).

Modern US overgrading usually at least averages the sides, and on rarities, tends to favor a higher side, especially if it's an obverse.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add War Nickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

When the worst side wins,
everybody wins,
in the long run.

Here is my rationale:
For the buyer, you get a coin that is at a price you can afford, but the quality of it is actually higher.
For the seller, I would belive it would enhance your reputation in a positive way...it is the opposite of "hype" in otherwords...substance.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ContraJame to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
depends on the people


I think you're already on to how value relates to split grading. ;)
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 Posted 02/07/2012  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Back when it was popular, grading the obverse (however that was defined for the coin series in question) was usually regarded as more important:
In terms of actual practice, the obverse grade normally carries more weight in terms of a net grade on modern coins. The grading standards of US TPGs are but one example.
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 Posted 02/08/2012  04:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ausjack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet, I know coins are very subjective so thanks heaps for the help people..just wanted to know for if/when this occurs.
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