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Help! I Have A Theory About How To Pick Fake Chinese Pennies

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 Posted 02/07/2012  6:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add LostnFound to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys, I know I'm new at this but I think I have spotted something in the comparison photos when comparing known fake Chinese pennies with similar condition genuine ones. Now I need a bit of help from you more experienced ppl here to check my theory.
What I need is for someone to post a side by side pick of a fake and a similar condition genuine coin (don't tell me which is which so I can test my theory.

So come on guys, indulge me. I may be barking up the wrong tree but if I'm right it will be useful to all our aussie coin collectors.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LostnFound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heres an example to start us off but I'm hoping you guys can challenge my theory with some comparison pics where I DON'T know which 1 is which.

This 1st one is a real 1 from the sight below.
http://www.bluesheet.com.au/Certifi...4721585/View
And the 2nd is the fake 1 posted in the forums here.

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Now something jumps out at me and I'm not talking subjective stuff like this or that "just doesn't look right".
Can you see it too? I have noticed this on a couple of side by side comparisons throughout the forums here and at risk of being wrong and looking silly in the end I think my theory warrants further investigation.
Help me out and put up some side by side comparison shots of fake and real to test my theory. Remember, dont tell me which is which
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 Posted 02/07/2012  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 1946 the fakes will generally have a thicker font. Ever so slightly wider (it might even look like it's been double because of its width).

As for 1925's I can really say much, I know that the 5 is generally in the wrong spot.

I can pick 1923 Halfpennies easily.

The question I guess is do you think you can tell the difference between altered date coins? (1923 Halfpennies?)
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 Posted 02/07/2012  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LostnFound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Goatieman, thanks for your input. I have seen a few of those things pointed out before but I've noticed something on a few pics of the fakes that looks different to the real in the side by side comparison pics I've looked at. I've only noticed it on the ones that still show some lustre. In the example above, note that the lustre is still visible on the low points on the real coin where as in the fakes it seems to be on the high points! Check it out. I'm very interested in what some experienced collectors think about this. Let's see if we can get everyone's input on this as I hate repro items and would love to have found an easy way to spot these crappy forgeries.
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 Posted 02/07/2012  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
first thing I try to check is the denticles around the inner edges, I read somewhere that they have trouble lining them up in the same spots as the originals, in fact thats about the only way I can be sure so far
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Good luck. Try 3 :)



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1 is very suss, the first M in commonwealth on the 2nd makes it look dodgy but I'm not sure. and the third looks real to me.
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 Posted 02/09/2012  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LostnFound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Aarong, These 3 look pretty right to my untried eye. How'd I do?
What I was hoping for though was 2 coins side by side, 1 a known fake and 1 a known genuine as its in the comparison that I've noticed the difference, especially on the shiny ones.
For example, in the two pics I posted above, notice on the real 1, the remaining lustre at top of neck along the jawline and compare to the fake. Also inside the ear and the outline all the way arond the head. It's as though they polish the fakes for lustre so the high points have it but on the real 1 the lustre is gone from most of the high points and is only left in the hollows. What do you think? Check it out.
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 Posted 02/09/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AaronG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes was testing you, all 3 are genuine :P
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why is the base of the I in australia flat in the first pic? also the wear in PENNY in comparison to the inner circle seems unequal, and the ENN seem to be overly worn in comparison to the one.
and this could be camera angle or my eyes, but the denticles from are in australia to the 5 in the date seem to be dots not elongated.
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 Posted 02/09/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LostnFound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
3 outa 3, yayy! Thanks Aarong.

Hi again Erkle, having spent the last week taking hundreds of pics of these addictive little things, I have noticed the light and the camera can play tricks.

Judging coins by pics is not as easy as I would have thought.
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