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 Posted 02/09/2012  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not all that unheard of. Old timers probably remember the guy that used to single-handedly control the Franklin market just for fun. Every 5-7 years at the shows he'd buy up all the good frankies, let the collectors sweat a bit and drive the prices up, then trickle them back into the market. His name escapes me at the moment.
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this coin doesn't look polished to me, it looks like a high grade BU coin with allot of luster. At least I can not see any evidence of any polishing by the photos provided and I really do not see anything that would cause it to not grade either. I bet it is a beautiful coin in hand
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 Posted 02/09/2012  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texfischer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This seems fishy, I don't know, just looks off to me.
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I agree, something doesn't look quite right to me. It could be the picture but the finish looks more like some WLH proofs I have seen.
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China makes really great copies, beware
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If you have a coin that is worth that much money and are trying to sell it why not get it slabbed. I would think that would give more prospective buyers a warm and fuzzy feeling. It would open you up to a lot more people who wouldn't buy anything without it being graded. Now on the other hand if you aquired it with the purpose of keeping it and not for resale then by all means keep it raw, but I think this is a case where if something seems to good to be true it probably is. I personally can't say whether or not it has been tampered with but I wouldn't drop that much money on a raw coin.

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Old timers probably remember the guy that used to single-handedly control the Franklin market just for fun.

Dunno him, but there was a guy who had a huge amount of one proof set, IIRC 1957 or close.
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Interesting responses all. I actually wasn't being negative here, but with a key date like the 21-D, it's always good to have a bit of nagging doubt or questions. At the bare minimum, I'd expect this coin to be at least lightly toned, unless dipped recently. I've seen uncirculated specimens of this date, and even with a lousy picture or scan, there should be a hint or swirl of luster somewhere. Here's a satiny 1944-D MS-66 example, done with a quick snap of the camera:

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Regardless, that seller should have it slabbed, even a Genuine would be better than just raw.
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Yep, avoid. And raw, why?
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Looks good to me. But what do I know, I've been wrong before. Would never ever ever buy that raw though.
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asking price $4750
numismedia au58 $5580
numismedia ms63 $14,110
numismedia ms66 $40,950

If it's significantly worse than the ms66, I'm not seeing it. If anything, the crossing hand is better struck. Maybe it has been excellently re-engraved.
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Yeah that coin is flawless. I guess other buyers were thinking it was polished somehow as well. Because At that price if it had original surfaces, then that would be a steal. And it hasn't been sold yet. So hmm... Someone did a great job on this coin.
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