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A Question About 1998 - 2000 WAM's

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if I understand correctly the 1998 - 2000 WAM reverse, is the result of a proof reverse die - paired with a regular business strike die obverse. if this assumption is correct, my question becomes, did the same switch take place, coincidentally three consecutive years, or did the same die from 1998 get used later in 1999, and 2000. it seems odd that the same type of in house error occurred three consecutive years. however it seems equally unlikely that the original reverse die from 1998 survived use until 2000. if anyone has some insights, I am interested in hearing them. thanks.
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I would say it is probably the result of the same error occurring more than once (because it is known to have happened on other occasions.) Another possibility is a group of dies that were mis-directed and they were not all used at the same time. Typically a die is used until it is retired and no die would last long enough to produce cents all three years. And if it did the WAM cents would be a LOT more common than they are. It could be possible that one die could have bridged two years (end of one and beginning of the other) but not three. A key question here is whether of not the 98 or 200 WAM's came from more than one die, or if the 99 WAM shares a die with either a 98 or 2000 WAM.
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Why is it considered an error.Just seems good "cents" to reuse a die if it's not worn out
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it probably isn't an error, rather a variety, as the dies were paired together intentionally at the mint.
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OK then, after 1998 why were so few struck in 1999 and then lots more in 2000?
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i dont know thats why I asked the question, hoping the big guns wouldshedsome insights...
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The '98 and 2000 pairs had long runs but the '99 had a shorter run. The question is why.Perhaps the '99 was discovered quickly and pulled or it was late in the year. I don't know.
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Nobody knows for certain how it happened....most likely just an accident. And, yes, they also used some business strike working dies to make as few 1998 and 1999 Close AM proofs. I 2000 CLAM has never been discovered. You can read more here:

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/wideams.html
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or did the same die from 1998 get used later in 1999, and 2000.


Hundreds of working dies are used to produce cents every year. Take some time and google how hubs/dies and coins are made, it will all become clearer for you.
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are there 98 99 or 2000 Wide AM from denver? or are they all from philly
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Philly only! See the link I posted.
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I see a few posts here suggesting that somewhere
there are mintage numbers on ea. yr. (98,98,00)Wams.
I have never seen any. Why I say that is because there
seems to be a lot of stating which yr. is the most common
and or least common. I really think that we will never know
the exact figures on this. Even an estimate would be just a guess.
Some say the 2000 is rarer than the 98 and then vice versa.
If there are indeed actual numbers I would like to see them.
There could be many of ea. yr. still tucked away somewhere in rolls etc.
One thing though is that these coins in circ. will not last very long
as far as condition. Zinc. does not fair as well as copper.
So the value will increase as time goes by with the better grades.
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so far my actual find rate indicates that 1998 is the
most common (5 finds), 2000 is next (1 find), and 1999 appears to not exist at all (0 finds). I clearly do not searh as many soins as most of you do. I average a box each couple of weeks.
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Obviously going by what we find in circulation would not be a very good measuring stick for the mintage of each year. I have seen threads were the amount of each year found by collectors varies greatly. I myself have found 11 WAMs 10 from 2000, 1 from 1999 and 0 from 1998. I don't think any of us think the 98 are the least common. But I agree with the OP it does seem unlikely this should have happened three years in a row.
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i was being sacastic...humor...
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Some say the 2000 is rarer than the 98 and then vice versa.
If there are indeed actual numbers I would like to see them.

There are no official numbers and the claims of relative rarities are based on reported finds and how frequently they seem to show up.


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Obviously going by what we find in circulation would not be a very good measuring stick for the mintage of each year.

Without official records it is the ONLY measuring stick we CAN use. The key thing is you can't use just one report or one persons report because it will be biased by person and location. To get a true representation you need many reports and over as wide an area as possible. Even so you need to watch of biases based on location of release where all or most of a variety are released in just one area.
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