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Spanish Cities Under Ferdinand VII - Emergency Issues

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 Posted 03/30/2012  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hehe :) I agree a bit actually ;)
It's just logistically easier (it's complicated actually, won't elaborate)
I got some excellent lens - but nothing macro (16-35L, 24-105L, 100-400L, 50 1.4, 1.4x L extender). I have some extension tubes - but they require proper light, and are hard to use for coins as the dof is very low with them.

Oh, the 1D MKII is old - your 5D II will make better pictures in low light (newer sensor, full frame - and anyway you don't need the speed of the 1D to shoot coins :p)
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 Posted 03/30/2012  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice collection of lenses. I have both the 16-35L and 24-105L and have been having a lot of fun with the wide-angle shots @ 16mm.
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 Posted 07/04/2012  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a new emergency issue minted under Ferdinand VII.
This one is particularly interesting due to its shape - here is the story behind it :

The war situation in Majorca led to shortages of metal, so the Supreme Council of the Kingdom of Majorca (constituted on 30 May 1808) requested the Bishop of the Diocese metal objects from the churches and so they may provide material for minting urgent coins (for those who followed the topic, we discussed that earlier already).
The sous, especially the octagonal profile reflects this turbulent and unstable history, lived under the reign of Ferdinand VII.
The sous (salary) derives from the Roman solidus coin.
Mallorca silversmiths were the perpetrators of these "sous" octagonal coinage.
The war prevented the immediate transfer of the machinery for coins circular profile.
This issue of necessity is also reflected in the absence of the usual compositional elements (royal effigy), or of the altering of those (usually the monetary value is stated on the back, and in some case for this type the initials of Ferdinand VII don't even appear ) and of an unstable iconography of the shield of the city.

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 Posted 07/06/2012  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought that that coin would get more comments
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 Posted 07/06/2012  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They are beautiful in their simplicity
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 Posted 08/02/2012  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Here is my 1808 Balearic Islands30 sueldos -

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Please note the yellowish discoloration towards the center of each side. Makes one wonder about the purity of the 'silver' in this emergency issue.


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 Posted 08/03/2012  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you bought this one from a safe source ?
I saw counterfeits of that type, some being sold as such by famous houses.
The color is strange, it looks like a used platting over copper.

Nevertheless, the design of the coin matches, it's a nice one you have here :)
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 Posted 08/03/2012  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I bought it many years ago from Aureo, perhaps the leading dealer in Spain at the time. I doubt it looked this way when it arrived and suspect (I cannot remember), that I wiped it a bit. (Perhaps a better color fooled even that great Company).

I need to get it from the bank and weigh it, check it with a magnet, and more.

It may very well be a fake.

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 Posted 08/03/2012  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know Aureo, they are the most active ones in Spain indeed.
They are usually pretty good, maybe a bit less when it comes to mail only auctions.
It would be a good idea to check it indeed :)

(mine comes from Cayon)
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 Posted 08/03/2012  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I will plan on revisiting (retreiving and examining my coin.

Meanwhile, here are my emergency-issue crowns.

First, one from Reus. While not usually thought of as an emergency issue, I feel that the workers at the "Moving Mint" made it in a hurry. <g>
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 Posted 08/03/2012  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Teragona
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Mallorca
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Mallorca (later)
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Mallorca (even later)
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Gerona
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 Posted 08/04/2012  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent !
In those you have, I'm missing the early Mallorca type :)
Oh, and if you don't remember, check the edge of the Tarragona one when you go there - it has a unique design !

The first one you displayed is from the Cataluña mint - which was indeed moving during the Napoleon war.
Places where it was operating are a quite known, but during the same year it could be in more than one place.
It's a very interesting story, I'll research it more when I got some time.
I know Ceca Segovia has one of the machinery used for this type of operation - although being a moving mint it was not a simple hammer :)
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 Posted 08/04/2012  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the Catalonia issues are quite interesting (and some types are quite scarce). I really enjoyed reading about the Mint's movements during the Napoleonic War.

I'll post more pictures in another thread.

OOPS! I see that I've already posted some of my Catalonia coins, at https://goccf.com/t/115319

Also, that I recommended the book by Goig at that time.


Bill
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 Posted 04/16/2014  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does the 30 Sous every come as Ferdinand VI instead of VII (ie., FRo VI). The FRo in one stamp and the VI in another?

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 Posted 04/16/2014  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Yes John. There is error 30 sous which reads FER VI. I lost out on an example because the auction company "over-looked" my high bid. (They apologized later).

I will need to locate the old auction catalog to see which coin type it was.


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