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Forum Mom
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As not all of the lettering is complete, I'd grade this at AG3. It looks like a Hays 23/Chapman 20 variety to me. When you get your book, look on page 95. Great coin!!!  |
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For that old of a coin, wouldn't it get more attention than a AG3 coin? I think it will.
Ty
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It Looks more like a normal head 1794 and not the High relief head. But still different from the two in the RedBook. It has to have a different attribution sperate from the two of them. I say Ag-3. it looks like the reverse of the 1793 with the 13 berries . and I think it has the Blundered N mentioned in Breen #1650 But hard to tell withe wear. heavy toothed border. The more I look at it I say Breen#1669 Sheldon-67-71. keep in Mind I am Using this as ad educational Experience an I am by no Means A knowledgable collector In This Area. Also on the reverse Does it lok Like it mAy ave tars betweenthe Reeds Coming Of The rims and n You see Any Die breaks it looks Like there might be 1 or 2. thanks for the oppurtunity tolearn and Hopefully We will both be given the right answer. |
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Does it seem to anyone else that the wear is oddly distributed? I mean, the hair detail is really good (Photograde VF-20 to EF-40; ANA F-12 to VF-20), but the rim at certain areas is fairly weak (AG-G range).  I'll make certain to check out the page Susan mentioned when I get my book- thanks! BTW, I'll be sending this to ANACS... any predictions on what they'll grade it? Regards, ~neuron EDIT: scoutjim and I posted at the same time... thanks for the input! Edited by neuron
01/23/2007 3:28 pm
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Maybe A G-4 But I stick with Ag and cleaned but of course You can expect that from a old Large copper
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Sorry, but no way is that coin AG. It believe it would be slabbed by ANACS as F12 Details - Cleaned and Damaged. I'd sure take take it though! Bit of history here. Sorry, but I am no good on Attribution.
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scoutjim and okie-colin both indicated that they believe this coin has been cleaned. Can either of you (or anyone else) point out what I should be looking for to see that on this coin? BTW, the dark mottling in spots is light corrosion... it will probably come back with "corroded" too! Regards, ~neuron |
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" scoutjim and okie-colin both indicated that they believe this coin has been cleaned. Can either of you (or anyone else) point out what I should be looking for to see that on this coin?"
I believe that the bright abraded high wear points where corrison pits are left has been cleaned, possibly with a wire brush, or other abrasive. They look whizzed. Look at the cheek, neck and cap. Untampered with corrison just doesn't look like that, but is crusty and dark. The pitting is left when it is cleaned off.
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Of course Neuron, I may be completely off base. If I saw it on ebay I would think cleaned for the reasons I listed 9too much porosity in the high wear points), but if the price were right I'd still love to own it. As you mentioned the features are clear and I think it has F12 details. |
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Does it seem to anyone else that the wear is oddly distributed? I mean, the hair detail is really good (Photograde VF-20 to EF-40; ANA F-12 to VF-20), but the rim at certain areas is fairly weak (AG-G range).
I would guess that the odd wear would be due to an uneven planchet, thinner at that part of the rim so it never properly struck up in the first place. |
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reverse looks VG ob G+ at best
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Well I received my Sheldon book on Friday, and went through all of the 1794 varieties. IMO, this is almost certainly S-58 (Hays 16, Chapman 39). The reverse fraction bar looks shorter in the picture than it actually is, due to weakness or wear. When you look at it under the correct angle, the right side of the bar extends over the last 0. I'm still open to suggestions, so let me know if you think the variety is different! Susan, I don't believe it can be the variety you mentioned if for no other reason than the berry numbers don't match up. There are 6 on the left branch and 7 on the right... I used that info to scan through the descriptions and eliminate most of the varieties, then looked at other diagnostic criteria once I had narrowed the possibilities. Good stuff!  Regards, ~neuron |
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