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 Posted 02/22/2012  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to post this in a new topic but it seems apropos for this one:

http://theadvocate.com/home/2108736...-brutal.html

Four observations:

1. People can be animals. That's one reason why safes exist I suppose.
2. The safe must not have been bolted down if the murderers were able to take off with it, or they knew how to handle a bolted-down safe.
3. Somehow the murderers knew the safe was there and was worth the risk of 2 (almost 3) homicides.
4. Perhaps if you're going to store that much worth in your house, other surveillance / defense mechanisms are in order.

That story is blood-chilling. I half expect to see it reenacted on "CSI".

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 Posted 02/22/2012  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BluesZone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the woman lives they are as good as caught. The only reason they would kill all three is if they knew each other. If she can talk their done for. They knew where the safe was,what was in it and there was no forced entry. But this does go to show that a safe isn't the only answer.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ain't that the truth. A good security system includes a multi-tier plan. I know you are not supposed to tell people about your collection but I show mine off regularly. My precious metals collection is another thing, they don't get shown or talked about. On the other side of things, everyone that knows about my coins also knows I sleep with a loaded gun and have a nasty dose of PTSD and a slightly mean disposition, and a kick butt security system.

I generally carry a 1911 on me at all times and at home am within a few steps of a loaded AR15 at all times. I also have a few other little surprises here and there that I won't discuss, but security is my #1 priority in my home. My preparation is bordering on paranoia but it should pay off if ever needed. Also, my security is not static. Plans are in place and rehearsed by the family so everyone is on the same page and know what to do.

Some say to keep collections in a safe deposite box, but remember that FDIC does not insure those items, and those items can be seized as assets in court rulings. Also, should you pass away, it can be a hassle for your executor and/or NOK to get into that box. The IRS, in some situations, can also seize the contents of your box as well should you owe money. Point being, think out your storage and security plans in depth.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Some say to keep collections in a safe deposite box, but remember that FDIC does not insure those items, and those items can be seized as assets in court rulings. Also, should you pass away, it can be a hassle for your executor and/or NOK to get into that box. The IRS, in some situations, can also seize the contents of your box as well should you owe money. Point being, think out your storage and security plans in depth.

Being seized is only in some states. Also, how would anyone know they are even there for a court ruling?
If you pass away, you simply leave a thing called a WILL as to who gets what, when and how. Also, in the WILL you leave instructions as to the location of that Safe Deposit Box.
And of course the IRS has virtually millions of employees running around locating all your assets.
One of my neighbors HAD a bad habit of telling people about his Gold Coin collection in his very large, bolted to the walls and floor. Oddly enough he also made the mistake of tellling some family members the combination. His own Grandson robbed him of that collection for drug money.
A safe is great but so much must be thought out in having one.
I really don't see why safe manufacturers don't make them look like something else. Such as a sofa, night stand, part of a wall, coffee table, etc. Wonder if such a suggestion to them would get me some rewards.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am looking to get a used safe. Where are good places to check for used safes? Craigslist? Any stores or shops that might get rid of things like that? Just curious, I haven't started looking yet, but I would like to get one this year at some point.
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Carl, your safe deposite box items can be seized in any state if a court ruling calls for liquidation of all of your assets. Also, that thing called a "will" is very important, but in some states your box will be left sealed for a certain amount of time after death before even your executor can get into them. Also some states require a law enforcement officer and an IRS agent have to be present for your executor to gain access to the box contents, and if you should owe money to the IRS they can seize those contents at that time. In extreme cases your box can be frozen along with any other assets, such as you bank account, and that is in any state. Carl, I grew up around banks my entire childhood and then some. I am not trying to shoot you down on this but as a law enforcement officer I have seen all of these things occur. I am not saying all of these things will happen, but it is a definate possibility. You can trust whoever you want, but I would rather trust myself.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I routinely peruse CraigsList for safes ("fire safe -ticket -tickets" and "gun safe -ticket -tickets" are the searches that I've had the most success with). People usually are asking way too much for Academy, Cabella's or other sporting-goods-stores-quality safes. That's not to say those safes are bad, but top of the line they aren't. I think you can find a deal if you're willing to part with good money for a good safe.

If you have a local locksmith, sometimes they have used safes for sale as well. My bullion dealer sells high-end safes, if you have a bullion store you might check with them - they might give you a break if you buy a lot. Lastly, gun stores carry them. Not sure if you'll get the best price there tho.
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