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Forum Mom
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The only one that I can't feel definite about not being genuine is the 1878S. Even with the pics blown up, I feel that one may be okay. I'm curious to know your diagnostics on this one. I'm sure that I'm missing something.
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Forum Mom
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Casting line. Missed that. All of the others have been reported. I'll go through this seller's items also.
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Pillar of the Community
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Casting line.
Looks like to me also. Now how many casual buyers would notice this? How many would pay $28 to slab it? How many will stay in the hobby after finding out they were burned. |
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Casting line. Missed that. All of the others have been reported. I'll go through this seller's items also.
Can you point it out- I've still missed it. Last fake has far better appearance than the first ones on your list, to my untrained eyes. Does the lower reverse lettering on that last 78-s also look too "blurred" and indistinct? At least many of the other coins have no or low bids as they near their close times. I can't imagine why a lister in China, seling Trade dollars, with zero feedback, doesn't have more bidders. A question though, since seller only takes paypal, isn't there a good chance that the bidders would get a refund eventually? Don |
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The problem is not with ebay only but with the police too I got defrauded once sofar by a legal alien from Pawcatuck CT The guy sold silver eagles he did not posses and then defaulted The local police officer who got like a dozen files forwarded from IFCC said the fraudster was known and not to expect anything In fact he cannot even be bothered to answer my emails anymore A Texan went to small claims court and got awarded 200% and got paid 100% So he would have to go to court a second time to be paid what he was awarded So from now on I only buy in Europe were I can go to court if necessary Sad thing is that it was my first and only buy outside Europe ebay insurance paid like 200 euro minus 20 euro for internal cost  on what was a 520 dollar deal |
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Originally posted by SFDukie
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Casting line. Missed that. All of the others have been reported. I'll go through this seller's items also.
Can you point it out- I've still missed it. Last fake has far better appearance than the first ones on your list, to my untrained eyes.
Does the lower reverse lettering on that last 78-s also look too "blurred" and indistinct? At least many of the other coins have no or low bids as they near their close times. I can't imagine why a lister in China, seling Trade dollars, with zero feedback, doesn't have more bidders.
A question though, since seller only takes paypal, isn't there a good chance that the bidders would get a refund eventually?
Don
Look at the edge of the coin. You will see what appears to be the casting line. This is the seam where the two pieces are joined together. |
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Forum Mom
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Originally posted by SFDukie
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Casting line. Missed that. All of the others have been reported. I'll go through this seller's items also.
Can you point it out- I've still missed it. Last fake has far better appearance than the first ones on your list, to my untrained eyes.
Does the lower reverse lettering on that last 78-s also look too "blurred" and indistinct? At least many of the other coins have no or low bids as they near their close times. I can't imagine why a lister in China, seling Trade dollars, with zero feedback, doesn't have more bidders.
A question though, since seller only takes paypal, isn't there a good chance that the bidders would get a refund eventually?
Don
 Paypal makes it easy for a buyer to get their money refunded if they don't receive the item, but it's much more difficult to get a refund if the item is just misrepresented, though I do believe it's possible. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Originally posted by ageka
The problem is not with ebay only but with the police too
I got defrauded once sofar by a legal alien from Pawcatuck CT
The guy sold silver eagles he did not posses and then defaulted
The local police officer who got like a dozen files forwarded from
IFCC said the fraudster was known and not to expect anything
In fact he cannot even be bothered to answer my emails anymore
Here in the states we like to write laws, but rarely do we enforce them. This is certainly not limited to the internet. It comes from too many having no responsibility. It is always someone else who is supposed to clean up the mess. This is why I always recommend that collectors find a dealer/seller that they trust and can do business with. It is far better to buy from someone who takes care of you constantly than it is to search around for every bargian that "may" exist. |
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[/quote] Look at the edge of the coin. You will see what appears to be the casting line. This is the seam where the two pieces are joined together. [/quote] I think I see it now, ND. That view isn't an edge view, but the rim appears too wide, and there is a shadow line "below" the rim on the lower right- is that the casting line? Is the lower lettering less distict than would be the case in a genuine Trade dollar as well? Thanks for the tutorial! Don |
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While the picture isn't perfect, it leaves too much room for doubt. When there is any doubt whatsoever, it is always best to leave that thing alone  |
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Originally posted by national dealer
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Originally posted by ageka
The problem is not with ebay only but with the police too
I got defrauded once sofar by a legal alien from Pawcatuck CT
The guy sold silver eagles he did not posses and then defaulted
The local police officer who got like a dozen files forwarded from
IFCC said the fraudster was known and not to expect anything
In fact he cannot even be bothered to answer my emails anymore
Here in the states we like to write laws, but rarely do we enforce them. This is certainly not limited to the internet. It comes from too many having no responsibility. It is always someone else who is supposed to clean up the mess.
This is why I always recommend that collectors find a dealer/seller that they trust and can do business with. It is far better to buy from someone who takes care of you constantly than it is to search around for every bargian that "may" exist.
First I only know one coindealer and he kind of looked down on me since I was only buying a 100 year old gold 100 french francs Second nobody here can be bothered with silver eagles and in Germany they ask like 40% more then the usual ebay auctions in the US Third I tried to buy from Don Stott and he stated his transporter wanted at least one dollar per coin in insurance alone |
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United States
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Finding a good dealer is just as hard as finding a good coin. It takes a lot of looking, a lot of effort on your part, and even a little luck. However, the effort will be worth it once you find one. Not just for the coins that can be bought or sold, but for the information that can be obtained. Despite what some think, dealers make a living in this business. In order to make a living you have to know a thing or two. As with any profession, you will find good and bad, honest and liars. It will take time to distinguish between the them.
Being a coin dealer will not make you competent, honest, fair, or even easy to deal with. People are people, and you should pick your dealer with the same rules that you would apply to a friend. A dealer friend is like having a referrence book in your pocket. A little insight into a business that they deal in each and every day.
That doesn't mean that you have to buy every coin from them, but you should utilize them for your education. Some dealers love to talk coins.
Most importantly of all, once you find a good one, share them with us here.
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Two years ago I looked up coindealers in Belgium and there were like three on the internet Two were auctioneers and one was a shop I send a question to the shop whether they had double eagles They never answered I once went to one of the auctioneers who also had a shop I was not impressed with the treatment I got Since then I have learned to grade and trust my instincts I survived 40 years in the stockmarket jungle making my own decisions rigt or wrong For coins I plan to be selfsufficient too with a little help from my friends  |
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Following this thread was very educational.
I learned something new today.
Keep teaching us Oh great masters
you too pillar of the community.
Seriously- This was a good education I did not know what a casting line was.
I'm not embarassed to admit I am more ignorant that knowledgeable.
And I can't spell either.
rggoodie
aka Richard
"catch em doing something right"
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Posted 05/17/2005 12:42 pm
