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 Posted 03/02/2012  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well what is crazy is the world has to much debt so how is the world trying to fix it with more debt?

Yes, the world is absolutely bonkers these days. We are still trying Keynesian economics and socialism as viable efforts, even though they have failed miserably every place they have been tried. This is like hitting our thumbs with hammers 100 times and hoping that each succeeding WHAP! will somehow be better than the last one. Well, guess what? It isn't! The only thing that this does is confirm the definition of insanity as "doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result".
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 Posted 03/02/2012  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not ready to say Keynesian economics is a failed idea. The main problems we are having is the over interaction of government. Today is not a well balanced plan as was suggested. The public sector which is a part of the theory has been trumped and even to the point industry is treat as threats or criminals.

Look it is not easy but certainly what we have today is heavily and what I feel is way too much government involvement in the original theory.

Come on look at the headlines today. It went something like this $111 BILLION in additional cost for the planned health care. I find it offensive that most politicians can look at this number and not drop over dead.

Now you wonder why some people are staring to not sleep and turning to PM's.

I do have an answer but it is not easy. The next time a politician brings money back to your district tell him/her NO. When they are stopped from spending then just maybe things can settle done.

Granted there is more to it but it would take far more space than this thread has to go through it all.

When you grant you leaders to control all the purse strings you are asking for problems. They know how to get elected and really don't care how they spend to get it done.
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 Posted 03/03/2012  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not ready to say Keynesian economics is a failed idea.

Which is exactly why stuff like this perpetuates itself.


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Look it is not easy but certainly what we have today is heavily and what I feel is way too much government involvement in the original theory.

I would agree with that and would even suggest that we simply have too much government period! We certainly have more than we can afford.


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I do have an answer but it is not easy. The next time a politician brings money back to your district tell him/her NO. When they are stopped from spending then just maybe things can settle done.

That would be great, MK, but we both recognize that this is probably not going to happen before the system collapses. Too many people want FREE money. Some of us know that nothing is free. Someone has paid for it but if it isn't Mr. A, it's OK with him that the government stole it from Mr. B and Mr. C. As long as it is provided to Mr. A., he is happy. Unfortunately, this is not a system can can endure. As has been said, "Sooner or later, you run out of other people's money to spend". Looks a whole lot like "later" has arrived.


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When you grant you leaders to control all the purse strings you are asking for problems.

Indeed so. Since political power is based upon spending other people's money, we won't be seeing any interest from the politicians in not spending the money that gives them power, prestige, bribes, etc. We need citizen elected officials and not career elected officials. May or may not happen but the election of 2010 seemed to make a small move in that direction. If we see more of that in 2012, perhaps real positive changes will come after all.
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The argument boils down to one indisputable fact:

In the entire history of mankind there has never been a purely fiat currency that has survived.
Every single one without exception has failed.

It is Always just a matter of when.

Give a group of people of any political persuasion known throughout history the ability to print paper currency without the backing of precious metal. Or the ability to mint coinage made of readily available base metals. And they Always end up exactly where we are today. With MASSIVE money printing that devalues the money supply until it is worthless. And the entire financial system implodes on itself. Always to the severe detriment of those that not in the top end of the given society. Because they are led to believe by what ever means are necessary by their leaders that everything is just fine. While the leaders and others that know what is coming quietly move their wealth into things that are of real value, Gold, Silver, Land, Live Stock, and in the last century, Oil and other commodities that are of real actual use to the population.
While the general population that was told everything was fine suffers devastating loss.

History does not always repeat itself exactly, but it darn sure rhymes

Just my humble opinion
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, Stewart. Your facts are correct. I suspect that a fiat currency could work IF if was pegged directly to the productivity of the nation issuing it. In this case, the currency would be backed by national productivity. Those doing the issuing would have to resist the urge to play games with the currency and that seems pretty close to impossible for human beings. So... in theory my idea could work but probably not in practice. We do know from history, however, that a gold / silver / copper standard for money has worked very well and for long periods of time. Whether that is relevant in today's world could be debated. I would like to see the issue revisited at some point and, hopefully, prior to the very messy collapse of the world's major fiat money systems. That too seems unlikely, however. :-/
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Come on look at the headlines today. It went something like this $111 BILLION in additional cost for the planned health care. I find it offensive that most politicians can look at this number and not drop over dead.

That's $1 a day per person.
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