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1909-S IHC Recolored?

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 Posted 03/09/2012  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjtm92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know this was mentioned already, but the diamonds do look funky. The bottom one looks absolutely terrible!
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 Posted 03/09/2012  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice ancient DV!
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I suspect the diamonds are normal--sometimes the inner part gets beveled, possibly due to ejection from the die. If the diamonds were tooled, they would probably tool the incomplete one too, which I think is due to wear.

Since the auction pics might go away, I have archived the obverse with some observations. I would call this coin EF details, because flattening is evident on the ribbon, brow, and cheek. Normally with an EF coin, surface chatter on the face and fields should have sharp points where metal was moved, because it did not see enough circulation to wear these points down. If you look closely on this coin, even the smallest chatter shows bright, beveled edges (dark arrows), which tells me that metal has been removed. This coin may have been cleaned to remove corrosion, which sill remains in recessed areas around the bust (light arrows). To the right of the feathers, there may be marks created by harsh cleaning with a wire brush. An EF IHC should show some evidence of mint surfaces in protected areas of the fields, but the fields look bright (and flat) everywhere.

Just my observations here, but I think one could approximate this look by taking a (cheap) bronze coin like an EF LWC with surface chatter, polishing with an abrasive like Brasso, and leaving alone to re-tone for some time.

1909-S-IHC-Recolored?
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 Posted 03/09/2012  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent post DV ! Let's say the guy that bought it put it in his album and it sat in his safe for the next 30/40 years and takes on a more realistic patina.....is it then worth more or will it always just be a cleaned coin and a small percentage of its lost worth ?
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Excellent post DV ! Let's say the guy that bought it put it in his album and it sat in his safe for the next 30/40 years and takes on a more realistic patina.....is it then worth more or will it always just be a cleaned coin and a small percentage of its lost worth ?

I would suspect that in 30/40 years the fact that there was only 309,000 minted will outway any cleaning done. As our population grows, so will the quantity of coin collectors. Even now there are possibly millions of coin collectors so in the future, any coin of that mintage, cleaned or not will be worth a lot more than what that one went for.
And many dealers know that so they continue to clean and/or polish and or dip coins. Even now there is always someone that will buy them. Note that this one sold.
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And many dealers know that so they continue to clean and/or polish and or dip coins. Even now there is always someone that will buy them. Note that this one sold.
Sure, this particular coin sold--but under false claims, as this coin was EF at best before the cleaning--imo. Problem-free coins with honest surfaces/color will always have more value--now, or 100 years from now--I think most dealers understand that. But, the coin is still collectable. It will tone darker over time, but the surfaces will always show damage--this is permanent.
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Excellent post DV !


CCF has some very knowledgeable people, some Lincoln Cent collectors, some Indian head collectors Morgan dollars, etc, it is just great to be able to look at all these posts and help all us collectors out with this information.
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He has a beautiful 1857 FE that he just ruined. It's too bad really, he's ruined some nice coins.
Raymo--this seller is a major coin doctor (imo). For "Gem BU", that FE has no cartwheel. A lot of his coins show signs of polishing and re-toning--good examples of what to look for and avoid.
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It's so obvious that his coins are cleaned and re-colored, yet he's getting big bids for his stuff. Go figure !
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 Posted 03/10/2012  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jleveille to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great info guys, there is some great people here!
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