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Chinese 1 Teal Coin Validation Needed

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Hi guys this is a first post for me as I found the forum and thought it was the ideal place to find the info I'm after. I've recently had a grandfather pass away and in his will he left me a coin hed had as a keepsake from when he traveled for business throughout asia. The coin in question is a sungarei 1 teal coin. I have done a magnet test which came up trumps with the coin not attracting the magnet at all, but this may mean its an alloy, I've also found a forum elsewhere that stated the exact diameter of what such a coin should be and this coin fits the size perfectly. I'm certainly no coin buff and I'm wondering if its a genuine article and real silver. Heres a few photos of what I'm dealing

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G'day & welcome to CCF.
Magnet - good.
Pics - good.
Diameter & mass, please.
Fake silver rarely carries the correct weight.
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Shouldn't the denomination be spelled "1 Tael"?

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Shouldn't the denomination be spelled "1 Tael"?


On others, yes. But on the Sungarei, it's Teal.
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It's not genuine if that's the answer you are looking for. It's a copy of extremely rare trial coins struck for the Heilongjiang province.
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id have to take it to uni and use the chemical scales there to get exact mass the diameter is 4.4500 cm or 1.75 inches though which I measured with a set of electronic vernier calipers (my grandfather also had the largest collection of (authenticated) rare memorabilia I've seen with my own eyes so its really making me yearn to see if this is in fact real :/
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...its really making me yearn to see if this is in fact real

The only Chinese coins which have "sungarei" in the inscription were struck in Xinjiang Province in 1897 and only in denominations of "7 mace 2 candareens", "4 mace", "2 mace" and "1 mace".

No coins with "sungarei" and a denomination of "1 teal" were ever produced. The "1 teal" is of course a misspelling of "1 tael".

For this reason alone, the coin can be considered a "fake" or "fantasy" coin.

Additionally, your coin was not even "made" in Xinjiang Province if you can believe what the inscription on the coin says. The Chinese side of the coin states that it was made in Heilongjiang Province.

The problem is that there was no mint in Heilongjiang Province at the time.

Chinese catalogs do include some "pattern coins" with the inscription indicating that they were made in Heilongjiang but documentation shows that these coins were produced by another provincial mint commissioned by Heilongjiang.

These Heilongjiang pattern coins are very rare and were only produced in denominations of "7 mace 2 candareens" and "3 mace 6 candareens".

No pattern coins were struck with the denomination "1 tael" (1 teal).

Also, these rare Heilongjiang pattern coins were only struck in brass. None were made of silver.

Therefore, your coin could not possibly be authentic since no such coin ever existed.

All of the above information is confirmed by several authoritative Chinese coin catalogs published in China which I referenced.

A search of Chinese language websites shows that there are actually a variety of these "1 teal sungarei" coins available on the market including those not only made in Heilongjiang Province but also Henan Province, Anhui Province, etc. They all can be bought for the equivalent of a dollar or two each.

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I bought one last year exactly same like this, cost me 5 bucks
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This SUNGAREI 1 TEAL coin is not genuine. In the genuine coin both rosettes are very similar or nearly identical. The rim is not the same as in the genuine coin, including the denticles. And the Manchurian characters in the center (on the reverse)are crisp and clear. Also the one, at the bottom, in Chinese before the Chinese character for Tael is curved. The weight of this rare coin is 37.7grams and some might weigh at 37.67grams which in within the tolerance limit.
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I have one exactly like it but, does yours have GIORGI stamped on the edge of the coin like mine-along with some Chinese characters?
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