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Unearthed This Coin..what Is It?

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 Posted 01/29/2007  12:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Melody to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi there. Ive just found this coin. It was found in west yorkshire, UK. I was just wondering if anyone knew what is was. Its not in very good condition. I rinced it off with warm water and can see its coppery looking in colour, a little scratched, about 29mm diam. I can see letters but can make out what they say with the naked eye, but sure theres some XI's in there. To me it looks as though theres a figure on one side.

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To me it looks alot like this

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Victoria Half penny
In 1860 the metal was changed to bronze and the size reduced from 22 mm to 20 mm diameter, along with a reduction in thickness. The weight was reduced to 43.75 grains (0.1 oz or 2.83g). These dimensions remained the same up to the last issue dated 1956.



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George IV Half penny
The farthings of George IV have two types of obverse differing in the markings on the three lower leaves on the wreath on the bust. Type 1 has single raised lines for the leaf mid-ribs, while Type 2 has incuse midribs. The former is found for issues of 1821, 1822, 1825 and 1826, while the latter was used in 1822, 1823 and 1825. Peck lists the 1825 Type 2 as very scarce.


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01/29/2007 2:10 pm
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 Posted 01/29/2007  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cant see the picture maybe my computer or something else,

From the flow of your explanation for me you are already knowledgeble or expert thats only my opinion.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pictures work for me :/
I know nothing about coins really, have spent the last hour or so looking them up online though. Amazing what you find!
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 Posted 01/29/2007  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can see the face better on here...

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 Posted 01/29/2007  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would venture a guess as A Queen Victoria.
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 Posted 01/29/2007  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I keep finding more and more possible examples, I'm going to have to take it to someone who knows, in person!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1899-Queen-Vi...cmdZViewItem

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cach...d=7&ie=UTF-8

A good match? Victoria Penny!

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Victoria

Victorian penny, 1898The penny of Queen Victoria (1837-1901) is one of the most intricate denominations of British coinage, with most of the varieties emerging after the switch from copper to bronze coinage in 1860.

Between 1839 and 1860, the penny was made of 18.8 grams of copper and was 34 millimetres in diameter. From 1860 onwards, bronze (an alloy of 95% copper, 4% tin, and 1% zinc) was used instead — the bronze penny weighed 9.4 grams and was 31 millimetres in diameter. This article can only mention the gross differences between different varieties of penny, but a very great number of small differences appeared, especially between 1860 and 1883.

Just three portraits of the Queen were used on the penny in the whole of her reign, the Young Head (used from 1838 to 1859, with rare issues fron 1860), designed by William Wyon (who died in 1851), whose eldest son Leonard Charles Wyon (1826-91) designed the bronze coinage of 1860 with the second ("bun") head (1860-1894 with scarce issues of the farthing in 1895), and finally the Old Head(or "veiled head") designed by Thomas Brock which was used on the penny from 1895 to 1901. Unlike the silver coinage, the Jubilee Head was not used on the bronze coins.

The first obverse showed the Young Head of the Queen, facing left, with the inscription VICTORIA DEI GRATIA with the date beneath the head; this obverse was used (with a slight alteration in 1858) until the end of the copper penny issue in 1860. Copper pennies were issued for all years between 1839 and 1860 except 1840, 1842, 1850, and 1852. The reverse of the coin for the whole of this period was similar to the William IV issue, with a seated right-facing Britannia holding a trident, except that most year the head of the trident was ornamented; the inscription read BRITANNIAR REG FID DEF.

The bronze coinage of 1860 for the first time stated the value of the coin on the reverse. The obverse was mostly unchanged between 1860 and 1894 except for some variations in the border (whether toothed or beaded), and whether or not there was an "L.C. Wyon" between the bust and the rim. The inscription read VICTORIA D G BRITT REG F D. The reverse shows a seated Britannia holding a trident with the words ONE PENNY to either side of her, and the date in the exergue beneath her; until 1895 there was a lighthouse to Britannia's left and a ship to her right; variations in the reverse include different levels of the sea around her feet, and an "H" below the date in some years indicated that the coin was produced at Messrs Ralph Heaton's mint in Birmingham. Pennies were produced in all years between 1860 and 1894.

For all years from 1895 to 1901 the "Old Head" bust was used, with the inscription VICTORIA DEI GRA BRITT REGINA FID DEF IND IMP, while the reverse was similar to before (although the level of the tide seemed to increase as the years went on).



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 Posted 01/30/2007  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A copper coin 28mm or more in diameter, found in York: your options are fairly limited. As I see it, it could be:
- a "Britannia" coin, either a halfpenny (early) or penny (late).
- a Roman bronze, though they are rarely found that size.
- a copper token of the 1700's-1800's.

That definitely looks like Queen V's face you can see on the last pic of the coin you posted. The truncation of the bust looks more like "old head" than young head. Looks like "British penny 1895-1901" is the best we can do with it - the date area on the reverse looks pretty mangled.
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 Posted 01/30/2007  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I do believe its the old veild head of Victoria.

I actually kicked it up from a path at my parents farm on the yorkshire moors. I'm not a coin collector or metal detector enthusiast.
It could have been anything, as my grandma found an old roman coin on the farm, when she was younger (my grandad sold it and she saw none of it! :P )
Also there are myths of a burried horde, hidden by a previous owner of the land.


Though now I have to say I'm very interested in the subject. I do have a few coins given to me by my mum *goes to dig them out*
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