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coingirl Previously Ousted Canada 398 Posts	Posted 03/15/2012 4:21 pm Thanks SPP and all others who contributed.. very valid comments which are appreciated. But please remember, not everyone has access to high end equipment or has high end equipment to take Images. I am doing my best with a macro lens on a Canon Camera. and the issue is always LIGHTING and WB. You are doing this as a business, I am not. I believe that my Images are much better than a lot photos posted on the bay... anyway lets try the rest of the cent images and then we shall see where they will be sold. following are up to 1946. the 1947 to 1949 still to come after thanks for all your input and comments. Report this Post to the Staff

SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 03/15/2012 6:38 pm Quote: You are doing this as a business, I am not. Actually, my main business has nothing to do with coins. I think I had lots of practice over the years photographing rocks and dirt. I find with photographing coins, it is best capturing what your eyes see, and what you want others to see. I do realize that toning can be tough to capture. This image of my 1938 NFLD 1c (see link below) was taken with a "point and shoot" camera, through two layers of ICCS plastic. I just fiddled with the lighting in the room to capture a good photo. If you are planning on selling your coins, you will want to capture them in their finest moment. I stopped using macro lenses, I hated the shadows I was casting being so close. I now just prefer to be at a small distance, and then maximize the zoom... https://goccf.com/t/77876&whichpage=9 Again, grading is subjective without the coin in hand, but there is nothing there I would send in to a TPG. Raw coins sell quite well, if the eye-appeal is there... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
coingirl Previously Ousted Canada 398 Posts	Posted 03/15/2012 8:03 pm SPP, I know, but a question: this NFL 1938.. is the actual color Gold as shown, or is it red? I am sure the camera did see red, but your image is gold......right? it is the darn WB which seldom works and constanly changes with lighting. I always try and show the real color. Zoom lenses definitely have an advantage with Varieties. and yes I agree , sometimes a regular 55mm lens works just as well.... but.. many buts.. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 03/15/2012 9:14 pm The coin is red. The 'gold' colour you see is the cartwheel lustre, which is what I wanted the picture to show. Scroll down to my next post in that thread, I explained the lighting choice. I realize that you can't show everything in a single photo... but you only get one chance to make a first impression... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Edited by SPP-Ottawa 03/15/2012 9:16 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coingirl Previously Ousted Canada 398 Posts	Posted 03/15/2012 10:17 pm OK SPP, then I ask you: why NOT show the right color? if someone sees a gold colored coin 4 sale, that person has all rights to buy a gold colored coin... wow,.. finally I found one... a gold colored coin. I have dozens of red...I want a gold color... when it later arrives as a red colored coins? what then? What happened to the first impression? this is not looking for an argument... NOT at all. Cartwheel...ok.. but you will have a hard time showing cartwheel unless you can show some shine... right? wrong? and when one wants to show shine... lighting is possibly the enemy I have experimented with scans, photo blue light, photo white lights, color corrected lights, point an shoot cameras, nikons , spot mettering centre metering etc.. average metering, defused light, a light tent(crap) and now use a canon rebel mounted on an old enlarger. I have tried a million gazillion settings with White Balance. the result is that EACH coin is different. and hence needs adjusting the settings to show it best and the waY IT IS. not THE WAY IT SHOWS BEST! A novice , and I am one in relation to most of you, wants to see what it really is, NOT what a seller wants it appear to be. There should not be surprises after receiving a coin when sold. the coins I have posted here are as close as possible to the real thing. they may not be 100% but the next best thing to it. Maybe, just maybe, there is a very good reason WHY the large auction houses very seldom show large images... and if they do, they are either taken axial to be able to eliminate defects, or they are taken on a clor - gray scale.. for the same reason. Just check out the seller "ASPEN" all his Crowns are taken with a axial setup. I can make a sratched dollar looking like MS64 with that method. anyway.. enough for now... I have fun challenging you.. hope there are no hard feelings.. CG Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 03/15/2012 10:37 pm The difference is that I am photographing my coins to show my collection, without the coins ever having to leave the safety deposit box - not because I want to sell them. The effort I make to put my coins in the best light is for my, and others, benefit. Each coin is different, for small cents, that could include cartwheel lustre or contrast with a heavy cameo or toning. Nobody I show my coins to is going to care if my colours are orange, red or gold, because I want them to appreciate the elements I am trying to highlight. Look at the photos PCGS takes for registry set owners. The lustre is shown, because that is what captures part of the eye-appeal. Your photos might accurately represent the surfaces and colours of your coins, but where is the lustre? By filtering that out, you are removing one of the key elements that helps determine the grade of the coin. Click on the 1973 dollar on this link, which illustrates my point, then click on the next coin (1974 Single Yoke). The coins are the same grade, but photographed slightly different - which one catches your eye? Yes, capturing the lustre on the 1973 dollar was intentional. When you sell a used car, do you not wax it first and then wait for the right lighting to capture that photo for the auto trader? There is no intent to hide defects, only intent to enhance the coins' best qualities. http://www.pcgs.com/SETREGISTRY/all...aspx?s=82059 Remember, you asked me for my opinion - that does not mean you have to like it or agree with it. As I mentioned earlier, bronze collectors are a fussy bunch... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Edited by SPP-Ottawa 03/15/2012 10:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coingirl Previously Ousted Canada 398 Posts	Posted 03/16/2012 1:08 pm SPP, very true, I always appreciate and respect someones detailed and deep knowledge, experience and opinion. I did ask for opinions on the grades and the weak strike recognition and where these coins fit in(with other words) It was not a question of how to present the coins in a photographic Image. These coins are not meant to be in a photographic exhibition, neither here nor at PCGS, but are meant to show what they look like with the best possible details clearly showing. I do not wish to show "what they could look like". If this would be my aim, I would pay a professional to shoot them, showing the real 100% details and colors.I quit like my images. Just wish everyone on the bay would offer these details and not have crappy stuff up showing 95% background and a foggy image. and then they tell you: look at my feedback, trust me, I have 20 years experience. Yea sure.. and my mom is the queen of china. SPP, one can wax and shine up a car, even cover up scratches with all that new polish and scratch hiding fillers. one will never see them until...the sun shines on it in the right angle.....here goes the shiny car for which you paid a lot of money for. disappointment and anger etc is preceding your next action. You know want your money back... right... seller says: caveat emptor.... lets drop all that stuff and let me ask a simple question: if you (or anyone else) want to show the cartwheel and superior quality and appearance of a coin, then WHY do you not employ black and white and gray shade photography? your coins can really come alive with these methods... many auction houses do use it for that simple reason.Most will only show color if it has an advantage and if hey can produce it in close to actual colors. otherwise it is B&W or G&W shades. I give up now on this as I never wanted it to become so intense. All I was looking for was a little interesting banter about the grades, as the coins do not have a huge value and only become a bit more interesting in higher grades. so, Thank you all I have decided what I will do with the coins and where to sell them. CG Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 03/16/2012 1:51 pm It is one thing to offer up grades on VF, EF or AU coin with digital images online. But, it is almost impossible with mint state copper - see my 1923 thread in which I posted a link to in your other post. The intent of that thread was exactly that - guess the grade... Black & white photography just does not do red bronze justice, in my opinion. Your coins have fairly pristine surfaces, all I can say, without the coins in hand, is they are probably minimum MS-63 red brown or trace red for the toned coins. I might be interested in a couple of them, I have a side collection of wildly toned small cents. You have my email. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
coingirl Previously Ousted Canada 398 Posts	Posted 03/16/2012 3:35 pm Ok SPP, lets bury this now and enjoy the weekend... another time I will start a Photography subject....maybe.. but, there may be one already... Report this Post to the Staff
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