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Bronze Hungarian 1538?

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 Posted 03/16/2012  10:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add htetrasme to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
First off, sorry I'm not really set up to take pictures of my own that would be any kind of helpful with this at the moment. Here's the ebay auction I won:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25098966731...t_1496wt_870

I'm trying to identify this coin and wonder if anyone here has any ideas. It's dated 1538, and shows a Madonna-and-child design. It identifies Hungary as its country of origin and Ferdinand (I) as the ruler that issued it.

In other words, looks like every Hungarian silver denar - except that it's clearly -- as the seller identified -- bronze or copper. I can't seem to find any information on a bronze coin of this type. Any ideas? A contemporary forgery that's become more obvious as it aged, perhaps?
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 Posted 03/16/2012  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say it's a genuine silver denar, just damaged, presumably from the environment it was buried in. I have several Hungarian denars (admittedly from a later period) that look similarly greenish-brown.

I will also say that there have been some extremely negative things told about this particular seller over on the FORVM forum. Specifically, that he mis-describes extremely common coins as super-rarities, that he can't seem to tell the difference between fakes and genuine coins and that he doesn't like his fakes being pointed out to him. See here, here and here, for starters. He's been added to the "Notorious Fake Sellers List" over there.
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 Posted 03/17/2012  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To buy coin first and look for identification later is asking for trouble. This coin is not near to "very fine", more likely "dead".
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 Posted 03/17/2012  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nicwinner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
agree with turtle
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 Posted 03/18/2012  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add htetrasme to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I enjoy buying not-too-expensive unidentified coins just to see what I end up getting from time to time. Sometimes the results are better than others.

Thanks for the the theory on the coin and the info on the seller, Sap. I'm thinking you're probably right about the denar, and after reading those threads I'll be avoiding saxbys-coins in the future.
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