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1773 Virginia Half Penny - Grade, Variety, Authenticity

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Hi,

I am soon going to sell this coin for a friend of mine but I wanted to first know the grade and whether or not it is a variety.

Obviously, the verification of authenticity is also high on my lists of objectives.

Regarding the possibility of a variety I found that at least three possible versions could exist:

1) Newman 4P,

2) Newman 26-Y, or

3) the 7 strings version

Please assist to correctly ID this coin with an approximate $ value that could be expected on ebay etc.

Thank you,

mdpmedia

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I don't feel good about this piece. Just looked at a couple genuine pieces and I am sure this piece is a fake.
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Conder,

If you have the time could you point out with arrows the parts of this coin that appear to be suspect in your opinion?

Could you also include the photo of the coin you are using to compare it to?

Thanks.
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The position of the period after REX looks off to me. But I have no idea how many dies were used? Anticipate more input...
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It's the beaded border that gives it away as a replica, for me. I can't find a single genuine example that has a wide rim with a beaded border like that; they all have either no border at all or a denticled rim. But I can find plenty of replicas with beaded borders. Similar coins have been posted on the forum before, such as here.
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Sap has what keyed it for me as well. I looked at some genuine ones and they all have denticled borders and since they were not using close collars the denticals extended all the way out to the edge of the die. it would be possible to have something that looked like a beaded border if it was at the very edge of the coin, but not well in from the edge like this one.


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But I have no idea how many dies were used?

22 obv, 22 rev, in 28 variety combinations. This piece must be based on either rev A or B as they are the only two with six string harps.

Three examples of genuine Virgina half pennies can be seen here
http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...halfd.1.html

This is the reverse I think yours is based on 1773-Virginia-Half-Penny---Grade,-Variety,-Authenticity
The obverse of yours is based on one of the 13 obverses that does not have a period after GEORGIVS.

Weights on genuine pieces seem to be in the 7.4 to 7.9 gram range.
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99.99% chance that it is a replica.
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99.99% chance that it is a replica.

So it's worth 99.99% as much as an original, right?
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Weights on genuine pieces seem to be in the 7.4 to 7.9 gram range.





Appears to be a cast copy. There are no known pieces with a dotted or beaded border. I suspect it falls well below the weight for a genuine piece.
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So it's worth 99.99% as much as an original, right?

No, 99.99% as much as a replica. Or .01% as much as an original.
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