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1954 Threepence Grading Help

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 Posted 03/24/2012  9:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi there,
Hoping these photos are acceptable for grading.
I picked this up today, and knowing my luck I probably paid too much!

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Any help would be appreciated.
-rob

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 Posted 03/24/2012  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photo's are a bit blurry.
Some contact marks, could be a weak strike on the obverse.
VF maybe a bit better.
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 Posted 03/24/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die crack A
$3
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 Posted 03/25/2012  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've updated the images. Hopefully these are a little better.
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 Posted 03/25/2012  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This would go almost EF if it wasn't for the marks under the chin and between the 19 in the date.
Good eyes AC nice die crack at the top of the A in Elizabeth and the rim
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The rim beads above australia seem to have been either weakly struck or damaged. There is quite a bit of detail lacking in the hair. I think VF would be fair.
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 Posted 03/25/2012  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers guys.
I was thinking (and paying for) what I believed was a good EF, almost bordering on aUNC.

In any case, all part of the learning curve.

Is anyone able to indicate where the high points of this coin are ?
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For some reason these are prety hard to get hold of.
i know it was a prety low mintage but these seem to be one of the "hard" ones to get
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The ear and hairline on the obverse are the high points. These are often weakly struck on QEII coins though and it can be hard to differentiate between strike and wear.
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The rim beads above australia seem to have been either weakly struck or damaged


With such a small coin and the lack of damage to or between the rim beads and the legend, how can you tell ?

If you look at the A in REGINA there is a small die crack on that one as well, and on the reverse between where the die cracks sit on the two A's, is where the rim beads are worn / damaged.

Thoughts ?
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 Posted 03/25/2012  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll go with EF'ish too but would note the heavy bag mark in the obverse fields. Hard to get any more accurate because the image doesn't show any lustre.
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2 A die cracks on the obverse I see? A in regina. and something on the R in australia?. almost ef?
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The ear and hairline on the obverse are the high points. These are often weakly struck on QEII coins though and it can be hard to differentiate between strike and wear.


Actually the shoulder is a high point too. The metal flow into that area is the reason why the junction of the ribbon and three wheat stalks on the reverse is commonly found very poorly struck up. Rim beads on the reverse are poorly struck rather than damaged.
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Thoughts ?
the broken part of the die moves ever so slightly under the pressure of the strike, causing the imperfection in the rim beads?
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Actually the rim beads/denticles are commonly poorly struck because in an attempt to lengthen the life of dies. In a lot of cases dies are not actually flat. They are ever, ever so slightly curved with the centre of the die protruding slightly and the edges of the die (which forms the rims) slightly withdrawn. This is to ensure that the important parts of the design are always struck properly (and thus the coin is useful as currency) if lower striking pressures are used. It just so happens that mints tend to strike at a lower pressure when they are trying to lengthen die life. So you get coins with the centre of design fairly well struck up while the rim beads/denticles are poorly formed. This phenomenon is also exacerbated by the fact that the rim beads/denticles are usually a low relief part of the design. I've got a 1956 3d (seen below) which almost has NO reverse denticles.

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 Posted 03/25/2012  04:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rbarat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Hard to get any more accurate because the image doesn't show any lustre.


Coin has great eye appeal, but I can't seem to get it to 'cartwheel'
Might just be how I'm looking at it.

I find it easier to get bigger coins to 'cartwheel'

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