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Cartwheel Two Pence 1797 George III

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 Posted 02/24/2013  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are you people on?
It is so worn.
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 Posted 02/25/2013  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'd call it nVF.

Being as it is an English coin, I try to use UK grading standards, which are much different (tougher) than ours.


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 Posted 02/26/2013  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It came with an envelope which is marked with GF, presumably Good Fine? and 'EKs' (that I don't know what it is).


IMHO I think the good fine grade is very accurate for your coin. There is no way your coin is higher than VF. Here's my example of this coin Sold as AEF purchased by me as being much closer to VF. Unfortunately the allowable photo size doesn't allow for good photos with my skills

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Edit: just to illustrate the poor resolution in the photo of the reverse I thought I could read the numeral 2 (bottom of the South east axis of the St Andrews cross)so I used my USB microscope which confirmed it was my perceptual system that was at fault and there was no numeral 2. the perceptual effect was akin to that with the face on Mars!



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02/26/2013 04:07 am
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 Posted 02/26/2013  04:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cointosser77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a nice coin!

The 1797 seems to be quite the source for grading arguments .

In the Collector's Coins GB book it is down as £12 as fine, £60 for VF and £325 for EF with similar values for both 10 and 11 leaves.

I know mine isn't the greatest. I just wondered about it's chocolate gloss it has and whether this was made artificially later to preserve it or whether that's just how it can become under certain conditions.

Btw, you can put 1600x1600 images easily for free onto http://www.snapagogo.com and their user interface seems very easy and you can copy paste easily their BB forum code to display the images or link directly etc.
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 Posted 02/26/2013  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info I will try that with my next picture. The Chocolate gloss is typical and I believe it is just the way these coins tone. What ever the grade I think the 1 and 2 pense coins from the Soho mint are very important to any modern coin collection as they are the first examples of "modern striking methods"
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 Posted 02/26/2013  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few worn ones but this got me intruiged, it has something what appears like chocolate colored gloss all over it:

It could be varnish, although if it is then someone's made a superb job of it. Victorian era collectors and , to a certain extent, museums were in the habit of varnishing coins and medals to "conserve" them.
I have a number of medals that have been treated in this manner but they're all too good to experiment with. What I'm looking for is an early varnished specimen that is in all other respects destroyed so that I can try cleaning it. From reading I know that this stuff is a b***er to shift.
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 Posted 02/26/2013  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both the 1D and 2D are vastly overpriced in Spink so tread carefully.
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 Posted 02/26/2013  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cointosser77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the "Collector's Coins GB" book, the prices are more realistic but Spink has more on the varieties in it plus more of the older coins as the collector's coins only starts with the 1797 Penny being the oldest I think.

For the British decimal ones I use the "Check Your Change" and for grading coins "The standard guide to grading British coins", all 3 from Rotographic, and all of those 3 cost less than the one Spink.

Next books to get for me is the varieties on the British silver coins and varieties of the bronze coins one, forgot what it's called again...

All of these 1797 in this thread are very nice coins though, they probably will put you on the no-fly list though if you try to check in with one of them in your wallet #weapongradecoin :)
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 Posted 02/26/2013  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From 1797 ccgb is far better than spink on varieties.Mr Groom wrote the books on silver and bronze.
There will be new publications on silver and farthings coming soon.
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 Posted 02/27/2013  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Bowden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thread.

Looks like I've found the experts on these coins.

Would anyone care to give me some feedback on one of my recent acquisitions? proclamation penny.

Not my strength, however am becoming more and more interested in earlier British currency.



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Any assistance would be appreciated.

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