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What say ye?   |
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I would say F12. Never heard of a VG20  This is the first time that I noticed an actual outline around the shield.  I always thought that it was raised instead of recessed.  Edited by oih82w8
03/29/2012 6:59 pm
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VG20 is a new grade, you havent heard?  |
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Good for you, Ninja, you got a sense of humor! If "every letter must be visible" this is a fine 12. If "The bands must be complete although weak", then the coin is a very fine. Clearly at least a fine. Falls short of a very fine due to the lower band being incomplete. The "spit grade" of fine 15 is possible, although I would like to see more of the bottoms of the letters. If you ever come across the name Jack Beymer pay attention. He used split grades for these Barber coins years before the plastic age. Among Barber specialists, it has long been recognized that even a grade as low as fine is uncommon to find. Very fines at 3 times as uncommon. The 1901 is a common date, so more examples have been survived. I have to weigh in at a Fine 12. BUT, with great eye appeal. Just where are you finding such nice examples? |
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I will put it in for F12, though PCGS might call it a VG10.
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Matthewvincent,
Sounds like you know your Barber's. As stated in prior posts by others, for good or bad, LIBERTY seems to be the deciding factor, however I do not always agree with this as there are other details that should be observed and I have seen coins with LIBERTY visible more clearly than others yet the top row of leaves (at the bottom) weak or in some cases missing, and I have seen coins with a weaker LIBERTY and the top row of leaves well outlined. Still, the LIBERTY is the expectation. In addition, it seems to me that Barber Half grading has changed a bit, where coins in Fine condition are required to have less LIBERTY visible than prior (10 years ago?). Perhaps its finally years of perpetual Barber Half grading and I finally get it, or maybe things have changed.
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Should make VF20. Letters alone can't be a deciding factor on any coin, they are general guidelines only.
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Torn between the accuracy of fine and the novelty of vg20.
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Are looking at the same coin? I see an honest VF30 with great eye appeal.
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Nice looking F-15 barber!
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Ninja, "...for good or bad, LIBERTY seems to be the deciding factor..." TRUE "...however I do not always agree with this..." Nor do I "... as there are other details that should be observed and I have seen coins with LIBERTY visible more clearly than others yet the top row of leaves (at the bottom) weak or in some cases missing, and I have seen coins with a weaker LIBERTY and the top row of leaves well outlined." " Still, the LIBERTY is the expectation. In addition, it seems to me that Barber Half grading has changed a bit, where coins in Fine condition are required to have less LIBERTY visible than prior (10 years ago?)." Here, Ninja, let a Barber person give you a bit of advice. Each year, and most especially each mint, has its own characteristics. On some of the examples from New Orleans in the worst years the LIBERTY means NOTHING and the leaves, hair detail and the like are the determining factors. Uncirculated examples with the last three letters entirely missing are accepted as MS-60. A fact of life. But Philadelphia did not suffer the same fate. A different standard for a different mint is , I think, part of the game and the knowledge of it is what I offer to you. I graded your example as only a F-12 because it was a Philie. Had it been a New Orleans example it would have scored a VF-20. "Perhaps its finally years of perpetual Barber Half grading and I finally get it, or maybe things have changed." Things haven't changed, Ninja, as much as people have realized that this series, I mean examples of this series, are far scarcer than any price guide would have you to believe. And the examples which you have posted, well, I would be happy and proud to own any one of them. My best, Matthew Our website is: http://barbercoins.org/For what it is worth, I am a contributing editor. And we are a non-profit site. Edited by matthewvincent
03/31/2012 12:13 am
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Matthewvincent, Thanks for the info. A bulk of my problem on this front is that I havent looked at many O minted Barbers past Fine, so I havent been able to compare to P mints, but this is invaluable info to be aware of. THANKS! I am aware of the website provided, and have visited it many times to look at the census report. Thanks for the knowledge!  |
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Coin Ninja, I just bought a replacement computer yesterday and today I have sucessfully got an old scanner to work. If you would like, I will seach through examples of "greater than fine" New Orleans Barber coins that I have and post pictures for you. You are not likely to have the opportunity to examine such coins in person unless you visit large coin shows. (Sigh) Pickins are mighty poor out there! |
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matthewvincent, I would like that very much |
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