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'93 Lincoln Multiple Errors Or Just Greasy Die

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I bought this coin from a fellow who chastised the Mint for allowing errors in 3 unrelated stages of its manufacture.

First, he said, "[T]he planchet displays a custard effect throughout its surfaces on both sides, which is the result of poorly manufactured blanking strips."

Second, he said, "[T]he reverse die clashed with an obverse die as may be seen by the outline of Lincoln's beard within the Memorial. He said the tool room should have replaced the reverse die when it replaced the similarly damaged obverse die, but failed to do so."

(How'd he know they replaced the obverse die?)

Third, he said, "[T]he coin was struck more than once, in collar. "This," he said, "was caused by a malfunction at the coining press."

His final comment was this: "Given the precautions the mint keeps in place to eliminate minting errors, the production of a single coin exhibiting 3 unrelated errors seems beyond belief." "This," he said, "makes it a rare coin indeed."

I listed the coin on ebay and used his description. Another ebay member sent me an email and told me the coin was simply a "grease filled die." He said he had a coin that looked just like mine and that he was told it was a Grease Filled Die. He said "It looks like the anvil/reverse die and the hammer/obverse die had grease in them."

I would greatly appreciate it if you could please give me your opinion on the above. If I have the coin listed with incorrect information, I need to pull it immediately and correct the problem. THANK YOU!

~~Robbin

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I think your friend has a rather active imagination. I have never heard of the "custard effect" and it is not a legitimate numismatic term. The light parallel lines on both sides are striations from the process of setting the thickness of the planchet stock. These striations are typically obliterated when a coin is struck but can be visible when a coin is weakly struck or struck through a heavy layer of grease. Die clashes are a fairly common occurrence and are not necessarily a reason to replace a die unless it was damaged by the clashing. Addressing the last point, I see no indication whatsoever of this coin being double struck in collar but larger pictures might reveal something.


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His final comment was this: "Given the precautions the mint keeps in place to eliminate minting errors, the production of a single coin exhibiting 3 unrelated errors seems beyond belief." "This," he said, "makes it a rare coin indeed."

The procedures the Mint has in place for errors consists of separating out errors of a non-standard size, this coin is of a normal size and shape. Die clashes and Greaser strikes are an acceptable part of the minting process and are not screened out by Mint QC measures. When you are manufacturing billions of an item every year, it is a bit unrealistic to expect them to all be perfect little clones of each other- especially when said manufacturing process involves two mint facilities, dozens of presses, and thousands of dies.
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Thank you very much, Biokemist6. I very much appreciate your reply and your expertise!
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Thank you very much, Biokemist6. I very much appreciate your reply and your expertise!
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Robbin
Here is my Greaser I was telling you about.It looks like 1999 but it's 1990.I know because I'm the one that found it in a full red bank roll of 1990 cents 22 years ago

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Robbin!

biokemist6 - Great explanation. Do you think it was a weak strike? It doesn't look like grease to me. Perhaps improper annealing?
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Why isn't the OP's coin round? Is it spooned?
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I agree both coins are Struck Through Grease.
Both coins look round to me.
Cent planchets are not annealled.
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Struck through error (Grease) and PMD, the coin appears that it has been dropped a few times distorting the rim on the outside edge of the coin. There is some surface rubbing on the rims. I know I wouldn't sell an example like this.
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I think the distortion on the coin edge is due to photo editing.
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Thank all of you, gentlemen, very much! (And ladies, too, if you are out there!) I very much appreciate all of you spending your valuable time helping me out.

Pat, thank you for sending me here! I have to admit that the similarities in our coins are pretty overwhelming!

DrDon, I looked at the coin again just using a magnifier and it seems as though the distortion is real to some extent. Looking at the obverse it looks like you are seeing the rim of the reverse at the points of distortion. It's hard to explain. &!*?+$*@! Wish I could send you all the coin!

coop, yes, I'm quite embarassed about attempting to sell the coin after hearing from all of you. Had I checked with you first I never would have done that. By the way, while I hate to show my ignorance, I realize I've done that plenty so far, so it shouldn't matter if I continue to do so by asking you, what does PMD mean?

OddCoins, And what does OP mean?

Again, I thank all of you for your help. I hope you are all still here when I return.

Robbin
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PMD = Post Mint Damage (meaning the mint didn't do it)
OP = Orignal Poster (you in this case)
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Dear timsumrall,

Thanks very much. I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of questions like this as I start using Coin Community Forum. What a GREAT place this is! EVERYBODY is so helpful!
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 Posted 04/04/2012  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OddCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a great place, and you will learn a lot! I'm a newbie too and I already have.
I have a feeling it's not worth much, due to the distortion on the rims. But you should wait for one of
the experts to chime in on value before you spend it or anything.


-oddcoins
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Dear OddCoins,

That's a good idea. I was about to put it in my granddaughter's Piggy Bank! Thanks very much. You guys are all SO nice! I love this place!
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I would save it, since it is a nice Greaser. Too bad the edge is dented like that though, but still an interesting coin to save.
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